They aughta stop with these roman numerals

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Like I know its their thing but I honestly don't know how to go higher then III with this thing I've just kinda been keeping a mental track of how many exist already but don't even try asking me how much 16 is without looking lol

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Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

You seriously cannot be that thick....

ROMAN NUMERAL

16 = X(10)+V(5)+I(1)

HINDU-ARABIC NUMERALS

16 = 1(10)+6

It is LITERALLY the exact same.

Different numerals, same math [/quote]

You literally just calculated more factors with three then 1. and this is just a small case.
28 = 10(X), 10(X), 5(V), 1(I),1(I),1(I) or 228 = CCXVXVIII? It is visually and mentally quicker to just see "28" and know that it just means "28" or that 228 just means "228" if you know your arabic numbers you'll know what 28 and 228 means.

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Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

American school systems do teach forward thinking and critical skills for future development, but we also have 2 more years of school than Canadians do. History is just as important, hence Americans have history up until the end of schooling until college when it is an elective.

Knowledge of history is a very important aspect of life. You learn from the lessons of history, you learn to apply the aspects and knowledge of the past TO the future. It is very much relevant.

You would not be here today with all that you have, if noone learned history and improved on historical methods and procedures. Even your laws and judicial system is based on historical procedures and there are so many other things that are based in history.

Try and defend as much as you can, but you cannot throw away that fact.

I agree, history we learn from the past helps pave the future but there is a difference between history and practice. We used history to look back at old era things like roman numerals and we developed better systems that do and should take priority over them. But taking time to teach something that will only be good in very limited, often histrorical situations is regressive
we can look back and acknoledge how people once did things but practicing how people once did things when there are better methods is only telling people to move backwards rather then forwards

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Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

My excuse is probably what you said. Issue with the education. My education probably realized its time consuming enough just teaching normal curriculum and not teaching arcaiac ♥♥♥♥ that wont apply to anyone

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

and I'm not about to memorize it for literally the only thing I know of in the modern age that still uses it.

As I said, it is not archaic. Roman numerals are still used in a LOT of things around the world.

That is why in American schooling, it is taught.

This is just a small list of things that still use roman numerals-

On some clocks, where the hours are marked I through XII.

On buildings, where the year of construction may be indicated in Roman numerals.

The reverse of the Great Seal of the United states shows a pyramid that reads “MDCCLXXVI”, the date of American independence.

It is customary, for some reason, to show copyright dates of movies and TV shows in Roman numerals during the credits.

In “outline” documents, where Roman numerals are often used as the highest heading level.
In some older books especially, Roman numerals are used for chapter or part numbers.
Lowercase Roman numerals are often used as page numbers for “front matter” of books (Preface, Foreword, Contents, etc.), so that the “main” part of the book starts on page 1 with Hindu-Arabic numerals.

Names of popes, kings, and queens: e.g. Pope Gregory XIII, King George III

Ordinary peoples’ names, where there is a tradition of boys being named after the father. For example: John Smith names a son after himself, who is then John Smith Jr. or John Smith II. The son then does likewise, and his son is named John Smith III, etc.

(^^^^ THIS one is very very very common especially, I myself am a 3rd and my name includes a suffix at the end, III)


EXTRA fun fact, did you know the numbers- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 etc. are called Hindu-Arabic numerals?

But you would probably think those are archaic had I not explained that to you.

Wow this was educational, my school's don't teach Roman numerals so I had to self teach myself on what they are, it is really not that difficult but learning the uses and why it is still used is fascinating.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

You are just pure ignorant
(BTW the proper definition of ignorance is "lack of knowledge" so you actually are)

I guess in your case, ignorance really isn't bliss, cuz you're sitting here complaining about something just because you dont understand it, but majority of the world does.

I guess I'm ignorant for not knowing but honestly I'm happy my time spent in school was used to teach me about looking forward at the furture and future developments and not looking backwards at things gone past. America's education system isn't doing that great either so I've heard it'd make more sense to prioritze teaching forward thinking things. History is fine sure and I appreciate it but there are a lot of things that have been scrapped from both our education systems because they're not largely needed.

You know they taught us more than one thing, right? Seven hours a day, five days a week, forty weeks out of the year, for twelve years. Roman numerals can be learned in an hour. We had time for other things.

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Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

I guess I'm ignorant for not knowing but honestly I'm happy my time spent in school was used to teach me about looking forward at the furture and future developments and not looking backwards at things gone past. America's education system isn't doing that great either so I've heard it'd make more sense to prioritze teaching forward thinking things. History is fine sure and I appreciate it but there are a lot of things that have been scrapped from both our education systems because they're not largely needed.

American school systems do teach forward thinking and critical skills for future development, but we also have 2 more years of school than Canadians do. History is just as important, hence Americans have history up until the end of schooling until college when it is an elective.

Knowledge of history is a very important aspect of life. You learn from the lessons of history, you learn to apply the aspects and knowledge of the past TO the future. It is very much relevant.

You would not be here today with all that you have, if noone learned history and improved on historical methods and procedures. Even your laws and judicial system is based on historical procedures and there are so many other things that are based in history.

Try and defend as much as you can, but you cannot throw away that fact.

Teachers would rather teach students how to use a calculator then an abacus because calculators are better.
They'd rather teach you how to read a clock then teach you how to read a sundial because clocks are better.
why is this not going to apply to teachers teaching roman numerals then arabic numbers when one is better.

and you can say "muh history" all you want but are you also advocating for teaching with abacuses and sundials too?

[Oberon]

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

American school systems do teach forward thinking and critical skills for future development, but we also have 2 more years of school than Canadians do. History is just as important, hence Americans have history up until the end of schooling until college when it is an elective.

Knowledge of history is a very important aspect of life. You learn from the lessons of history, you learn to apply the aspects and knowledge of the past TO the future. It is very much relevant.

You would not be here today with all that you have, if noone learned history and improved on historical methods and procedures. Even your laws and judicial system is based on historical procedures and there are so many other things that are based in history.

Try and defend as much as you can, but you cannot throw away that fact.

Teachers would rather teach students how to use a calculator then an abacus because calculators are better.

They actually taught us how to do the math in our heads so we didn't need either. Once again, point for "your schools suck."

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Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

You know they taught us more than one thing, right? Seven hours a day, five days a week, forty weeks out of the year, for twelve years. Roman numerals can be learned in an hour. We had time for other things.

You expect young children to learn, memorize and retain a number system within a single hour? You cant teach those same kids spelling OR math in just a single hour. If I was a teacher and said "Oh yea so this is roman numerals, thats a thing" and taught it for 1 hour I wouldn't expect 20 years later that those students would remember and be fighting people on the internet who didn't have your 1 hour lesson thing. I know that X means 10, V means 5 and I means 1 but I probably only learned it solely to read final fantasy covers as there is literally no other need for it in my life theoretically, I can read any number up to 100 just fine but I'd take me 3 seconds rather then the 1 second it'd take to see it in normal numbers

[Oberon]

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

You know they taught us more than one thing, right? Seven hours a day, five days a week, forty weeks out of the year, for twelve years. Roman numerals can be learned in an hour. We had time for other things.

You expect young children to learn, memorize and retain a number system within a single hour? You cant teach those same kids spelling OR math in just a single hour. If I was a teacher and said "Oh yea so this is roman numerals, thats a thing" and taught it for 1 hour I wouldn't expect 20 years later that those students would remember and be fighting people on the internet who didn't have your 1 hour lesson thing. I know that X means 10, V means 5 and I means 1 but I probably only learned it solely to read final fantasy covers as there is literally no other need for it in my life theoretically, I can read any number up to 100 just fine but I'd take me 3 seconds rather then the 1 second it'd take to see it in normal numbers

You do know we get basic schooling for twelve years, right? Or were you confused because I rendered the numbers in Latin letters rather than the Arabic numerals?

[Angel_Fyre]

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

American school systems do teach forward thinking and critical skills for future development, but we also have 2 more years of school than Canadians do. History is just as important, hence Americans have history up until the end of schooling until college when it is an elective.

Knowledge of history is a very important aspect of life. You learn from the lessons of history, you learn to apply the aspects and knowledge of the past TO the future. It is very much relevant.

You would not be here today with all that you have, if noone learned history and improved on historical methods and procedures. Even your laws and judicial system is based on historical procedures and there are so many other things that are based in history.

Try and defend as much as you can, but you cannot throw away that fact.

Teachers would rather teach students how to use a calculator then an abacus because calculators are better.
They'd rather teach you how to read a clock then teach you how to read a sundial because clocks are better.
why is this not going to apply to teachers teaching roman numerals then arabic numbers when one is better.

and you can say "muh history" all you want but are you also advocating for teaching with abacuses and sundials too?

Funny you bring up the abacus. You don't think it is still used? Or a variation of it? Because it is sometimes still used today to teach younger children basic arithmetic concepts.

Or how about using blocks or other physical objects to simulate groups of numbers. Is that not a rudimentary form of an abacus?

Also fun fact about sundials as well. Have you ever seen an obelisk (very tall square tower with a pointed pyramid at the top) They are used in a lot of cities, those are actual sundials as well. Maybe not so much used as such, but they still exist.

Just because something may be obsolete to make way for better technology, does not mean that old technology is useless or gone forever

Digital clocks replaced analog clocks, why do we still use analog clocks in all buildings? But better technology for the future!

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Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Teachers would rather teach students how to use a calculator then an abacus because calculators are better.

They actually taught us how to do the math in our heads so we didn't need either. Once again, point for "your schools suck."

Oh right cause you do -all- math in your head and all people should. "burn all the calculators" says the mayor. They're only for stupid people who need handicaps.

Look mayor. There are some maths in this word that should not be reasonable expected to be done in your head. Even if you could, it wouldn't be efficient just like the abacus just like the sundial just like roman numerals. in all of these cases there is a easier, more common and efficient method schools would rather spend all the time teaching then waste any teaching you "fun fact" knowledge like old numerals or how to read a sundial

[Oberon]

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

They actually taught us how to do the math in our heads so we didn't need either. Once again, point for "your schools suck."

Oh right cause you do -all- math in your head and all people should. "burn all the calculators" says the mayor. They're only for stupid people who need handicaps.

Look mayor. There are some maths in this word that should not be reasonable expected to be done in your head. Even if you could, it wouldn't be efficient just like the abacus just like the sundial just like roman numerals. in all of these cases there is a easier, more common and efficient method schools would rather spend all the time teaching then waste any teaching you "fun fact" knowledge like old numerals or how to read a sundial

You're whining about a lot of things I never actually said. They taught us t do basic math in our heads, regular PEMDAS stuff. Incidentally, interpreting Roman numbers is such basic math that it can be read as easily as Arabic numbers once you've gotten it down.

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Originally posted by Angel_Fyre:

Funny you bring up the abacus. You don't think it is still used? Or a variation of it? Because it is sometimes still used today to teach younger children basic arithmetic concepts.

Or how about using blocks or other physical objects to simulate groups of numbers. Is that not a rudimentary form of an abacus?

Also fun fact about sundials as well. Have you ever seen an obelisk (very tall square tower with a pointed pyramid at the top) They are used in a lot of cities, those are actual sundials as well. Maybe not so much used as such, but they still exist.

Just because something may be obsolete to make way for better technology, does not mean that old technology is useless or gone forever [/quote]

Damn really? Second we learned numbers it was right to calculators and blocks and objects sure its good to learn to count real objects in the real world. I've never seen an obelisk in person and I'm sure any who do aren't using it as a sundial so its not a big surprise it wasn't taught

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Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Oh right cause you do -all- math in your head and all people should. "burn all the calculators" says the mayor. They're only for stupid people who need handicaps.

Look mayor. There are some maths in this word that should not be reasonable expected to be done in your head. Even if you could, it wouldn't be efficient just like the abacus just like the sundial just like roman numerals. in all of these cases there is a easier, more common and efficient method schools would rather spend all the time teaching then waste any teaching you "fun fact" knowledge like old numerals or how to read a sundial

You're whining about a lot of things I never actually said. They taught us t do basic math in our heads, regular PEMDAS stuff. Incidentally, interpreting Roman numbers is such basic math that it can be read as easily as Arabic numbers once you've gotten it down.

Your saying my school sucks because "They actually taught us how to do the math in our heads so we didn't need either. Once again, point for "your schools suck." what are you implying then? cause based on what I said it sounds like your saying calculators are only used for those who cant do head math which is a senseless parallel.

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Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

You know they taught us more than one thing, right? Seven hours a day, five days a week, forty weeks out of the year, for twelve years. Roman numerals can be learned in an hour. We had time for other things.

You expect young children to learn, memorize and retain a number system within a single hour? You cant teach those same kids spelling OR math in just a single hour. If I was a teacher and said "Oh yea so this is roman numerals, thats a thing" and taught it for 1 hour I wouldn't expect 20 years later that those students would remember and be fighting people on the internet who didn't have your 1 hour lesson thing. I know that X means 10, V means 5 and I means 1 but I probably only learned it solely to read final fantasy covers as there is literally no other need for it in my life theoretically, I can read any number up to 100 just fine but I'd take me 3 seconds rather then the 1 second it'd take to see it in normal numbers

Not all remember, but we were all taught. So all it usually takes is a quick refresher for any Roman numerals that aren't used all that commonly. Just like with anything your taught and don't use regularly.

It takes me just as much time to read a Roman numeral as it does for me to read something in basic Spanish until around 50. Sometimes archaic things are used for the artistic nature. Roman numerals is one such thing. Makes things look fancy.

It's still taught in US schools because of that tendency. Super Bowl's were numbered with Roman numerals in the logo for years. It's on some analog clocks.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by SheeP GIRl:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

You're whining about a lot of things I never actually said. They taught us t do basic math in our heads, regular PEMDAS stuff. Incidentally, interpreting Roman numbers is such basic math that it can be read as easily as Arabic numbers once you've gotten it down.

Your saying my school sucks because "They actually taught us how to do the math in our heads so we didn't need either. Once again, point for "your schools suck." what are you implying then? cause based on what I said it sounds like your saying calculators are only used for those who cant do head math which is a senseless parallel.

I'm stating--not even implying--that our schools taught us to do the math and not have a computer do it for us.