Are there any FCs that don't have overly positive drones?

[the]

I joined an FC via invite spam when I was leveling. They were very helpful and quick to answer my questions regarding the game but the FC chat is starting to annoy me. These are the common themes of FC chat.

-Rejecting criticism of anything related to FF14
-Talking down WoW and WoW classic
-Overly positive (not a bad thing but comes off fake sometimes)

I'm very thankful of their help so far and I've contributed to giving back by joining roulette/answering questions for newer players. That being said, I feel uncomfortable expressing my opinion or making a joke that might offend someone in the chat. Sometimes I feel like they are bots made by SE to make FF14 an overly positive environment. Is this the culture of FF14's community? If I made my own FC would I still risk being reported if I said something "problematic"?

[VoidLance]

Първоначално публикувано от Splat:

Първоначално публикувано от ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, kamimashita!:

You're not wrong about the "fake positivity", there is some kind of white knight sjw elitism in ff14 (at least it's not the majority of the community, they're just a loud minority, feels Twitter much). And as someone who never played WoW, I still think there is some toxic "anti wow toxicity" (ironic huh?) from some players. It is in some way... xenophobic.

I played WoW for many years, if you think that there is elitism in FF14 go to WoW and you will see for yourself. There are good and toxic people in any online game, for me it's normal that people here talk trash about WoW since it's competition and the same happens on the other side, i have good and bad memories of WoW but right now i prefer 14, to each their own, just don't think that people that defend the game that they love are fanboys.

People who play WoW talk trash about WoW. There are also fanboys who have nothing but good to say about it. WoW is far easier to talk trash about because it's completely clear where the company's interests lie, and it's not with the players. I genuinely believe that the Final Fantasy team truly has the best interests of the players at heart. I can't say the same of Square Enix though, but that's not relevant here. The game has faults, as does everything, and that's not a bad thing. What is bad is when people think they shouldn't be playing a game that has faults and try to ignore them. I'll admit FFXIV has less fanboys than a hell of a lot of games, especially recent ones, but they're there and they're as toxic as the haters. The definition of a fanboy is someone who is obsessed with a movie/game/series/etc. If you say "I see where you're coming from, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to hate it." You're not a fanboy, that's a healthy attitude. If you say "♥♥♥♥ off, it's the best game ever, it's completely flawless." That's a fanboy right there, and sadly that kind of reaction is by far the most commonly expressed. I have the same problems with The Witcher 3 and Undertale. Both incredible games in their own right, but not good enough to attack someone when they don't like it or find some part that didn't meet their expectations. In fact, the higher your expectations become for something, the more devastating it is to find the inevitable flaws.

[Splat]

Първоначално публикувано от shmoney shgook:

Първоначално публикувано от Splat:

I played WoW for many years, if you think that there is elitism in FF14 go to WoW and you will see for yourself. There are good and toxic people in any online game, for me it's normal that people here talk trash about WoW since it's competition and the same happens on the other side, i have good and bad memories of WoW but right now i prefer 14, to each their own, just don't think that people that defend the game that they love are fanboys.

WoW is pretty bad BUT the bright side is the players are more open to criticism of the game and each other. It does get bad but none of their players are scared to express opinion in fear of getting banned. Once you find a guild its gets less toxic.

The FC i'm part of we talk about the good and the bad, everyone has a free opinion, it depends on the FC that you find. Some people only see the good and others only the bad, i see it as a mix of good and bad meaning that the game has issues of course, nothing is perfect, what happens in games is the same as in real life, there isn't such thing as perfection. In comparison with WoW i prefer FF14, at least FF14 provides me with fun and good memories.

[Splat]

Първоначално публикувано от Gawain:

Първоначално публикувано от Splat:

I played WoW for many years, if you think that there is elitism in FF14 go to WoW and you will see for yourself. There are good and toxic people in any online game, for me it's normal that people here talk trash about WoW since it's competition and the same happens on the other side, i have good and bad memories of WoW but right now i prefer 14, to each their own, just don't think that people that defend the game that they love are fanboys.

People who play WoW talk trash about WoW. There are also fanboys who have nothing but good to say about it. WoW is far easier to talk trash about because it's completely clear where the company's interests lie, and it's not with the players. I genuinely believe that the Final Fantasy team truly has the best interests of the players at heart. I can't say the same of Square Enix though, but that's not relevant here. The game has faults, as does everything, and that's not a bad thing. What is bad is when people think they shouldn't be playing a game that has faults and try to ignore them. I'll admit FFXIV has less fanboys than a hell of a lot of games, especially recent ones, but they're there and they're as toxic as the haters. The definition of a fanboy is someone who is obsessed with a movie/game/series/etc. If you say "I see where you're coming from, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to hate it." You're not a fanboy, that's a healthy attitude. If you say "♥♥♥♥ off, it's the best game ever, it's completely flawless." That's a fanboy right there, and sadly that kind of reaction is by far the most commonly expressed. I have the same problems with The Witcher 3 and Undertale. Both incredible games in their own right, but not good enough to attack someone when they don't like it or find some part that didn't meet their expectations. In fact, the higher your expectations become for something, the more devastating it is to find the inevitable flaws.

I agree with you, having playing WoW for so many years over time i have seen people that really loved the game leave the company and i don't think that they managed to find equally passionate people for their positions, i look at the guy that leads WoW Ion Hazzicostas when he goes on stage he seems lifeless, no passion on his eyes, no energy and on the other side Yoshi P shows passion and care for the game and he listens to the community, the dude has an interview with some press and he's also reading in game chat at the same time...plus in FF14 unlike WoW i don't have the lead of the community manager team addressing it's community by calling them anonymous ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[CMDR Erik Alan]

Първоначално публикувано от shmoney shgook:

Първоначално публикувано от Splat:

I played WoW for many years, if you think that there is elitism in FF14 go to WoW and you will see for yourself. There are good and toxic people in any online game, for me it's normal that people here talk trash about WoW since it's competition and the same happens on the other side, i have good and bad memories of WoW but right now i prefer 14, to each their own, just don't think that people that defend the game that they love are fanboys.

WoW is pretty bad BUT the bright side is the players are more open to criticism of the game and each other. It does get bad but none of their players are scared to express opinion in fear of getting banned. Once you find a guild its gets less toxic.

Nobody should be scared of expressing opinions and if you are, you really should question why.
Having played both of these games since their launches (WoW beta also), FFXIV is nothing in terms of toxicity in comparison to WoW, not on any level. Your "opinions" are yours, but if you walk into any community regardless of what it is and start complaining about things you hate about it, you're going to get negative feedback. That's just obvious and something you should expect.

You really shouldn't tell people to skip content because you find it boring, this really isn't the kind of MMO where skipping content benefits you as a player, considering it's a story driven experience. I can totally agree with skipping side quests generally as most are just filler, but MSQ stuff, that's just dumb to skip, however, it's their money and ultimately their decision. I just wouldn't let my opinion come into the equation, which you have.

The issue isn't your FC, it's your overall attitude and what you think the games population should be that are the actual issues. You cite their kindness and overall enjoyment in the game as fake, but there is more than enough evidence in several forums, servers and free companies that beg to differ. Are there people who aren't totally enamored by the game? Sure. Are there some that are more vocal about it than others? Sure. But most by and large, don't sit in chat and whine about something.

You think the game is slow, good for you. Your favorite class got nerfed, sucks to be that class. Literally, you complain about something you have absolutely no control over at all. Talk about pointless.

In terms of toxicity, the gaming community as a whole knew and accepted that prior to the arrival of League of Legends, WoW had the most toxic online community in gaming. You would see forums and posts about this wherever you went online. Sure, you MIGHT find a guild that YOU wouldn't determine as toxic, but that doesn't mean it wasn't. As an example, there are some YouTubers and Twitch streamers who swear that they aren't racist or sexist and their biggest supporters agree, yet all of their content mocks people of different races and women. Their supporters are fine with it and see these individuals as not toxic to the community, but that doesn't actually mean they aren't. It's a matter of perspective. A poster earlier mentioned how he didn't like how SE was starting to punish trolls and toxic people for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they say. But the reality is, more people found them to be toxic and inappropriate than people who thought he did nothing wrong. The same with WoW guilds. They aren't necessarily less toxic, but just more aligned with your opinions.

[Hachikuji]

Първоначално публикувано от Splat:

Първоначално публикувано от ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, kamimashita!:

You're not wrong about the "fake positivity", there is some kind of white knight sjw elitism in ff14 (at least it's not the majority of the community, they're just a loud minority, feels Twitter much). And as someone who never played WoW, I still think there is some toxic "anti wow toxicity" (ironic huh?) from some players. It is in some way... xenophobic.

I played WoW for many years, if you think that there is elitism in FF14 go to WoW and you will see for yourself. There are good and toxic people in any online game, for me it's normal that people here talk trash about WoW since it's competition and the same happens on the other side, i have good and bad memories of WoW but right now i prefer 14, to each their own, just don't think that people that defend the game that they love are fanboys.

Coming from what you said and the fact that a lot of people say it as well, a big part of the ff14 players who complain about wow toxicity are the ones who played wow in the past and not the ones who never played wow. I know it's not the same thing as an MMO community, but that are other games that have more toxicity.

My point is not about people defending their game, but the ones that go too far. Like what happened with the death threats to content creators and all that. It just leaves a stain in the community. A small group makes the whole look bad.

[Alien Behind The Door]

Първоначално публикувано от The Mayor of Murder Town:

Първоначално публикувано от Requimatic:

Well, this is pretty disturbing and honestly kind of makes me want to leave the game right now.

SJW Politics being amended in to the game's TOS/EULA.. pathetic.

That's actually not what happened at all. The only people complaining about the changes to prohibited activities were toxic people who were most likely going to be banned anyway.

Please.
The irony in you of all casuals to call people toxic...

[Splat]

Първоначално публикувано от ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, kamimashita!:

Първоначално публикувано от Splat:

I played WoW for many years, if you think that there is elitism in FF14 go to WoW and you will see for yourself. There are good and toxic people in any online game, for me it's normal that people here talk trash about WoW since it's competition and the same happens on the other side, i have good and bad memories of WoW but right now i prefer 14, to each their own, just don't think that people that defend the game that they love are fanboys.

Coming from what you said and the fact that a lot of people say it as well, a big part of the ff14 players who complain about wow toxicity are the ones who played wow in the past and not the ones who never played wow. I know it's not the same thing as an MMO community, but that are other games that have more toxicity.

My point is not about people defending their game, but the ones that go too far. Like what happened with the death threats to content creators and all that. It just leaves a stain in the community. A small group makes the whole look bad.

That's why i see to myself not to be a douchebag towards new players, i try to help people in any way i can it helps to make it better eve if it is a little bit, all games have rotten apples in them, personally i chose to stay away from those people that is why i have a blacklist in FF14, a block button in WoW and so on, if we focus in those useless toxic ♥♥♥♥♥ mind as well not play any games online or not.

I will be a gamer as long as my health allows and i'm not letting toxic idiots ruin that.

[CMDR Erik Alan]

Първоначално публикувано от Alien Behind The Door:

Първоначално публикувано от The Mayor of Murder Town:

That's actually not what happened at all. The only people complaining about the changes to prohibited activities were toxic people who were most likely going to be banned anyway.

Please.
The irony in you of all casuals to call people toxic...

Okay I’ll take the bait.
How exactly am I toxic? Do enlighten me because I’m actually pretty chill in game and spend more time interacting with my FC than anyone else on the server.

[Mandodo]

Първоначално публикувано от CMDR Erik Alan:

Първоначално публикувано от Alien Behind The Door:

Please.
The irony in you of all casuals to call people toxic...

Okay I’ll take the bait.
How exactly am I toxic? Do enlighten me because I’m actually pretty chill in game and spend more time interacting with my FC than anyone else on the server.

think he was replying to Murder, not you.

But, I could be wrong.....?

[CMDR Erik Alan]

Първоначално публикувано от rocketskates69:

Първоначално публикувано от CMDR Erik Alan:

Okay I’ll take the bait.
How exactly am I toxic? Do enlighten me because I’m actually pretty chill in game and spend more time interacting with my FC than anyone else on the server.

think he was replying to Murder, not you.

But, I could be wrong.....?

I really hope so but you never know in these forums lol

[Alien Behind The Door]

Първоначално публикувано от CMDR Erik Alan:

Първоначално публикувано от rocketskates69:

think he was replying to Murder, not you.

But, I could be wrong.....?

I really hope so but you never know in these forums lol

Literally was not talking about you...

[Dark Helmet]

Първоначално публикувано от The Mayor of Murder Town:

That's actually not what happened at all. The only people complaining about the changes to prohibited activities were toxic people who were most likely going to be banned anyway.

Source: Trust me dude.

The only toxic thing I see around here is you hijacking threads for the sake of calling everyone you dislike toxic. The irony :D

[Oberon]

Първоначално публикувано от Atreyou Carter:

Първоначално публикувано от The Mayor of Murder Town:

That's actually not what happened at all. The only people complaining about the changes to prohibited activities were toxic people who were most likely going to be banned anyway.

Source: Trust me dude.

The only toxic thing I see around here is you hijacking threads for the sake of calling everyone you dislike toxic. The irony :D

Irony indeed, seeing as you just necrobumped a thread just to attack me.

Also I find it funny you accuse me of "hijacking" a thread when this is only my second post in here.

[Dark Helmet]

So everything that's not following a thread in real time is now necroing? K.