Reduce sub price.

[TheAvPman]

It's not that I can't afford it but it is a bit overpriced considering it is a subscription for a single game. Anywhere between 5-10$ would seem more reasonable to a great deal of friends of mine that are unwilling to buy this (despite their interest in the gameplay itself) because it is just too expensive for a single game.

[Satsuka]

Cuz amount of content we usually get i think it's fine as it is ( I don't count this content drouth cuz corona is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and we cant do nothing about it). Reducing sub price will reduce the quality of content over time cuz less money is put in to the game. If they are ok whit paying 10 bucks i think entery sub is that much but you can only make 1 character per world max 8 witch dosen't matter for most ppl cuz you can do all whit 1 character

[Aethervox]

I’d say ffxiv is among the cheapest sub games on the market tbh. 11€ per month (for the entry sub, I personally don’t think there’s a point for buying the other one).

Just a few comparisons:
WoWs 13€, Eso is like 15, swtor too is 15 (those aren’t primarily sub games but I’d argue you need the sub to enjoy them to their fullest).

[Zug Zug]

Originally posted by Krila:

I’d say ffxiv is among the cheapest sub games on the market tbh. 11€ per month (for the entry sub, I personally don’t think there’s a point for buying the other one).

Just a few comparisons:
WoWs 13€, Eso is like 15, swtor too is 15 (those aren’t primarily sub games but I’d argue you need the sub to enjoy them to their fullest).

you can play ESO for a fair amount of time without having to pay for the sub, it's also possible to ''buy'' this sub with ingame money I believe, just like wow.

ff14 doesn't have this system, it is still cheaper than other game tho, that is true

[TheAvPman]

I don't like the whole " it's okay because other games are doing it" stance.

[TheAvPman]

Originally posted by Satsuka ( さつか ):

Cuz amount of content we usually get i think it's fine as it is ( I don't count this content drouth cuz corona is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and we cant do nothing about it). Reducing sub price will reduce the quality of content over time cuz less money is put in to the game. If they are ok whit paying 10 bucks i think entery sub is that much but you can only make 1 character per world max 8 witch dosen't matter for most ppl cuz you can do all whit 1 character

Reducing price means more players and more players means more money so it's a win win situation.

[Zug Zug]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

I don't like the whole " it's okay because other games are doing it" stance.

It's not about it being ok or not, there is a difference in term of content quality for a game with no sub system only and a game with a sub system.

[Zug Zug]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

Originally posted by Satsuka ( さつか ):

Cuz amount of content we usually get i think it's fine as it is ( I don't count this content drouth cuz corona is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and we cant do nothing about it). Reducing sub price will reduce the quality of content over time cuz less money is put in to the game. If they are ok whit paying 10 bucks i think entery sub is that much but you can only make 1 character per world max 8 witch dosen't matter for most ppl cuz you can do all whit 1 character

Reducing price means more players and more players means more money so it's a win win situation.

you really think reducing the price from 11 to let's say 8 would bring this many players, compared to the 3 dollars you are losing on the few millions of players you already have ?

most likely not, it's not like the game is dead in EU and NA, so I don't think it would bring that many players

[Zug Zug]

the people I know refuse to pay the sub, BECAUSE it's a sub, not necessarily because of it's price

[Satsuka]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

Originally posted by Satsuka ( さつか ):

Cuz amount of content we usually get i think it's fine as it is ( I don't count this content drouth cuz corona is a ♥♥♥♥♥ and we cant do nothing about it). Reducing sub price will reduce the quality of content over time cuz less money is put in to the game. If they are ok whit paying 10 bucks i think entery sub is that much but you can only make 1 character per world max 8 witch dosen't matter for most ppl cuz you can do all whit 1 character

Reducing price means more players and more players means more money so it's a win win situation.

I don't see it as win win in this situation. If some one wanted to pay the sub they would have done it like 3 bucks will make that big of a differance

[Paroe]

Originally posted by Physical manifestation of cancer:

Originally posted by Krila:

I’d say ffxiv is among the cheapest sub games on the market tbh. 11€ per month (for the entry sub, I personally don’t think there’s a point for buying the other one).

Just a few comparisons:
WoWs 13€, Eso is like 15, swtor too is 15 (those aren’t primarily sub games but I’d argue you need the sub to enjoy them to their fullest).

you can play ESO for a fair amount of time without having to pay for the sub, it's also possible to ''buy'' this sub with ingame money I believe, just like wow.

ff14 doesn't have this system, it is still cheaper than other game tho, that is true

ESO doesnt require a sub, period. Its buy to play. The sub for it comes in the form of ESO+, a VIP status that also unlocks all the DLC while you have it and increases EXP/gold gain.
FF XIV Could explore that kind of model if it starts to dip - theres a LOT of people that react viscerally to subs in general and going buy to play would make waves.

[Aethervox]

Originally posted by Satsuka ( さつか ):

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

Reducing price means more players and more players means more money so it's a win win situation.

I don't see it as win win in this situation. If some one wanted to pay the sub they would have done it like 3 bucks will make that big of a differance

Exactly, the game hit it's all time high with Shb release and it's still pretty strong, but I'd argue that over the past 2-3 years it's been going strong in general.

[Aethervox]

Originally posted by Paroe:

Originally posted by Physical manifestation of cancer:

you can play ESO for a fair amount of time without having to pay for the sub, it's also possible to ''buy'' this sub with ingame money I believe, just like wow.

ff14 doesn't have this system, it is still cheaper than other game tho, that is true

ESO doesnt require a sub, period. Its buy to play. The sub for it comes in the form of ESO+, a VIP status that also unlocks all the DLC while you have it and increases EXP/gold gain.
FF XIV Could explore that kind of model if it starts to dip - theres a LOT of people that react viscerally to subs in general and going buy to play would make waves.

EXP bonus and extra gold gain is exactly the kind of stuff I'd argue are in many cases necessary in order to properly enjoy the game. Although yeah, eso isn't as predatory in this regard as swtor is.
Look at games like Wt or wot or wows etc, lots of people pay sub for the premium which grants exactly the same benefits (exp and money bonus) and they are pretty much necessary in order to enjoy and properly advance in the game.
Those games too have more expensive sub prices BTW.

[Zug Zug]

Originally posted by Paroe:

Originally posted by Physical manifestation of cancer:

you can play ESO for a fair amount of time without having to pay for the sub, it's also possible to ''buy'' this sub with ingame money I believe, just like wow.

ff14 doesn't have this system, it is still cheaper than other game tho, that is true

ESO doesnt require a sub, period. Its buy to play. The sub for it comes in the form of ESO+, a VIP status that also unlocks all the DLC while you have it and increases EXP/gold gain.
FF XIV Could explore that kind of model if it starts to dip - theres a LOT of people that react viscerally to subs in general and going buy to play would make waves.

that's why I said that you could play ESO for a fair amount of time without paying a sub, however
it becomes mandatory at some point if you want to properly enjoy the game.

It unlocks the DLCs the biggest contents of the game along with some really useful inventory space/bonuses, playing eso with no dlc would be like playing only the ARR version of ff14.

tbh, I like eso model just abit more than ff14.
I like having the choice to just buy 1 dlc that I can decide to do whenever I want.
Unlike ff14 when if I want to play I HAVE to pay a sub for a month, sometimes I would pay a sub for 1 month and play like 2 days because either I was playing another game with friends or because of work/irl stuff

[Paroe]

Originally posted by Physical manifestation of cancer:

Originally posted by Paroe:

ESO doesnt require a sub, period. Its buy to play. The sub for it comes in the form of ESO+, a VIP status that also unlocks all the DLC while you have it and increases EXP/gold gain.
FF XIV Could explore that kind of model if it starts to dip - theres a LOT of people that react viscerally to subs in general and going buy to play would make waves.

that's why I said that you could play ESO for a fair amount of time without paying a sub, however
it becomes mandatory at some point if you want to properly enjoy the game.

It unlocks the DLCs the biggest contents of the game along with some really useful inventory space/bonuses, playing eso with no dlc would be like playing only the ARR version of ff14.

tbh, I like eso model just abit more than ff14.
I like having the choice to just buy 1 dlc that I can decide to do whenever I want.
Unlike ff14 when if I want to play I HAVE to pay a sub for a month, sometimes I would pay a sub for 1 month and play like 2 days because either I was playing another game with friends or because of work/irl stuff

In ESO you can buy everything except the rune bag with either real money or premium currency. ESO also has DLCs AND expansions, with expansions being much larger (stormblood/shadow level) and DLCs being things like a single quest line and a few dungeons.

Buying premium is not required at any point in the game to properly enjoy it - the game is structured as such that you need to make choices and cant just grind eighty hours and get maximum crafting, gathering, and all additional skills.

[Aidenel]

Originally posted by Physical manifestation of cancer:

Originally posted by Krila:

I’d say ffxiv is among the cheapest sub games on the market tbh. 11€ per month (for the entry sub, I personally don’t think there’s a point for buying the other one).

Just a few comparisons:
WoWs 13€, Eso is like 15, swtor too is 15 (those aren’t primarily sub games but I’d argue you need the sub to enjoy them to their fullest).

you can play ESO for a fair amount of time without having to pay for the sub, it's also possible to ''buy'' this sub with ingame money I believe, just like wow.

ff14 doesn't have this system, it is still cheaper than other game tho, that is true

Lets not forget the gigantic market crashing ingame cash shop that SWTOR has.