Wtf is with the levelling in this game??

[Goblin Lord]

Been playing for a few days for hours on end doing MSQ and all daily roulettes, got 5 levels from 50-54, and i gotta get 70/80, in BDO which people say is more grindy i can reach the softcap level of 61 from lvl 1 in a few solid days of grinding and carry on doing what i find fun, because who in their right mind enjoys levelling in games(Unless you have no brain), i hear all these ffxiv sweats say its not slow because they played some game decades ago that took years(exaggeration) to level.

Guild wars 2 for exampl, levelling was slow as ♥♥♥♥ but atleast you got to farm tomes of knowledge on your main toons to level alts, why do i have to grind for weeks(more if you have a life) on end to experience the content everyone says is so amazing when i have to slog through all this low level ♥♥♥♥, sure the quests and story are interesting and can keep me occupied but boy am i tired of repeating all these ♥♥♥♥ low level dungeons and trials that lock my skills away so they're not even fun doing and i have no sense of even getting stronger as a character(so much for an rpg when i always just feel weak), all just so i can get a tiny slither of xp.

But wait there's more!, this is only while im still playing through MSQ, how ♥♥♥♥ing slow and boring is it going to be to level a fresh alt? like are you kidding me? to be honest i wouldnt be too mad if sync didnt take my skills away it wouldnt be that bad grinding low level ♥♥♥♥ because atleast you'll have new skills to play with, but nope, they take them away because woo that is what fun is about, oh but wait you can just Q your highest level dungeon? what so i can wait 20-30 mins? lmfao, or maybe 40+ mins off peak? because of the dumb role trinity ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t and nobody wants to play healer and tank because they get flamed if they ♥♥♥♥ up, why when you can just sit and spam skills as dps and not be bothered.

This game is a complete joke for new players and is why this game will die, who tf wants to play through this boring ♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ for weeks just to get to the good stuff? im currently using the 8 days of free game time to try get some levels and experience the content but at this rate i am probably not going to resub and put this game in the trash, probably the most new player un-friendly game i have played.

EDIT:
Because people seem to either not read or misunderstand, i don't hate levelling nor i dislike grinding, every game i play is a grindfest pretty much, this is MY personal opinion, i'm venting because im bored and not exactly looking for a resolution unless there's any tips on quick levelling for my future characters, in MY opinion i don't think being forced to do story and being timegated by dungeons especially when DPS Qs can take up to an hour for specific dungeons is a fun way to play, so for me it seems like a long time because i don't enjoy the way i have to level, the only reason im mentioning BDO and GW2 is because thats the other main MMOs i spent many hours on, im not comparing the games im only comparing the leveling experience that i had, BDO for the freedom it gives you and GW2 for the alternative ways of levelling aka tomes of knowledge, i'm just wondering why something that calls itself an MMORPG nowadays has such a lack of freedom, i just feel like im playing a linear singleplayer game that is made up of fetch quests and talking to NPCs, theres no skill builds, no interesting gear builds every person that plays a class plays the EXACT same, there's no difference, because of sync taking away skills, everyone is the EXACT same, want to get anywhere you HAVE to do these quests and Q for dungeons nobody wants to do with 40 min DPS Q times, but obviously this might just not be the game for me and there's people who enjoy playing like this but since im more of a new generation gamer im too used to modern mechanics and most modern MMOs and other games being sandboxy of sorts.

[treos100]

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Escrito originalmente por treos100:

by overworld, do you mean out in the field? cause...i've seen people running around doing stuff out in the field pretty much every single day i've played ffxiv thus far. it's not neglected in the slightest.

Sidequests are worthless for exp, so if you're doing those you're in the minority.

If you mean gatherer leves, yeah sure, it's the best way to level gatherers.

If you mean just going from town A to town B yeah, that's kinda what a MANDATORY MSQ makes you do, other than mandastory story, you do not see anybody in the overworld for any other reason.

ShB zones are DEAD if there isn't a Hunt up.

o_O i wasn't talking about anything specifically.

"ShB zones are DEAD if there isn't a Hunt up."

but clearly, you're one of those that believes chunks of this game are "dead content" which gives a pretty negative bias to your view of things in the game.

just because you think certain parts of the game are dead doesn't mean they are. nor do you speak for all players of this game.

that goes true for all who view this game in that way. there is no one true objectively correct way to play a video game and just because you don't see many people taking part in content you, personally, have little to no interest in doesn't mean that content is "dead".

different people have different goals when playing games, especially MMOs, and that's normal.

take what you said about POTD for example. clearly you don't like that content which is fine but other people do like it. otherwise there wouldn't be a near constant crowd around the NPC used to access that content pretty much 24/7.

so, no. the overworld content of FFXIV is most certainly NOT "dead content" at all.

in fact, you actually HAVE to make use of it when training a blue mage classe and gathering blue mage spells.

[Jin-]

I'd say FFXIV shines in dungeon and trial content. Open world and questing is by far its worst content. World feels lifeless and empty. Could be because they made the game with non MMO engine or are just bad in making the world work dynamically.

WoW Classic feels natural, you take quest and do the missions. All in real time. In FFXIV you need to activate everything via emote or clicking the ground. Even npcs you escort or follow teleport to the areas.

If they would manage to somehow fix crap like this atleast ONE person would spend more time in the open world instead of sitting in the Limsa or Eulmore

[Dregora]

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Escrito originalmente por Dregora:

Leveling has always been one of the coolest thing in MMORPG's, something that got lost as the years went by. Now everyone wants to be max level in a day.

WoW was at it's best when the leveling took a while. The worlds were alive, people were running around, helping each other, waiting together, etc. It was slow, but so amazing.

FFXIV captures that feeling at least a little. Nor do I think you understand what ''grinding'' actually means.


Also FFXIV doesn't need you to grind alts, considering you can quite literally do everything on the same toon, all classes, all crafting etc.


But yeah if you don't want to soak up the world and story for what it is, it's gonna feel dull.

Not really, playing Classic WoW (or even retail right now) and FFXIV is night and day, you don't see ANYBODY in the overworld. The overworld in this game is HEAVILY neglected.

Talking about back in the day, classic WoW is dying already due to bad decisions and retail is meh.

But my experience is different, I always see people running around in FFXIV no matter where I am. Is it always 100 people? No, doesn't have to be.

[Nico Yazawa]

Escrito originalmente por treos100:

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Sidequests are worthless for exp, so if you're doing those you're in the minority.

If you mean gatherer leves, yeah sure, it's the best way to level gatherers.

If you mean just going from town A to town B yeah, that's kinda what a MANDATORY MSQ makes you do, other than mandastory story, you do not see anybody in the overworld for any other reason.

ShB zones are DEAD if there isn't a Hunt up.

o_O i wasn't talking about anything specifically.

"ShB zones are DEAD if there isn't a Hunt up."

but clearly, you're one of those that believes chunks of this game are "dead content" which gives a pretty negative bias to your view of things in the game.

just because you think certain parts of the game are dead doesn't mean they are. nor do you speak for all players of this game.

that goes true for all who view this game in that way. there is no one true objectively correct way to play a video game and just because you don't see many people taking part in content you, personally, have little to no interest in doesn't mean that content is "dead".

different people have different goals when playing games, especially MMOs, and that's normal.

take what you said about POTD for example. clearly you don't like that content which is fine but other people do like it. otherwise there wouldn't be a near constant crowd around the NPC used to access that content pretty much 24/7.

so, no. the overworld content of FFXIV is most certainly NOT "dead content" at all.

in fact, you actually HAVE to make use of it when training a blue mage classe and gathering blue mage spells.

lol a majority of your BLU spells are trials and dungeons.

The overworld part of it is pretty lacking,

People don't typically do POTD for fun, they do it because it's one of the most effecient ways of leveling up, ESPECIALLY for a DPS.

[treos100]

Escrito originalmente por Jin-:

In FFXIV you need to activate everything via emote or clicking the ground. Even npcs you escort or follow teleport to the areas.

yeah, pretty much what you do in ANY MMO. heck, that's not much different from a lot of modern non-MMO games where you go to X location press/click Y button then wait for Z bar to fill/action to finish then continue.

that's pretty much a complaint about video games in general.

at least FFXIV is fun... went and had my fill of WoW after playing it for 5 years and stopped when the lich king expansion was released.

compared to some of the stuff i've seen in XIV's 2.0 content alone... i'd take XIV over WoW any day by far.

mechanics wise...WoW is just...boring. so far, i've seen all kinds of different mechanics shown off as i progress in XIV.

add to it, WoW hasn't exactly aged that well in regards to overall graphics quality.

i'd say, overall, WoW is pretty basic compared to XIV as it is now.

[treos100]

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

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"People don't typically do POTD for fun, they do it because it's one of the most effecient ways of leveling up, ESPECIALLY for a DPS."

again, not talking for everyone. in fact, i'd say you and 1-2 other people in this thread are about the worst i've seen of FFXIV so far. it's generally been fun and everyone i've partied and played with have been friendly and helpful.

well, there was the subreddit for this game but that bridge got nuked by elitists who were trying to force their way of playing the game onto me.

[Nico Yazawa]

Escrito originalmente por treos100:

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

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"People don't typically do POTD for fun, they do it because it's one of the most effecient ways of leveling up, ESPECIALLY for a DPS."

again, not talking for everyone. in fact, i'd say you and 1-2 other people in this thread are about the worst i've seen of FFXIV so far. it's generally been fun and everyone i've partied and played with have been friendly and helpful.

well, there was the subreddit for this game but that bridge got nuked by elitists who were trying to force their way of playing the game onto me.

Subreddit? Elitests? "force their way of playing the game onto me"

Why do I get the feeling you think people telling you to not to freestyle and learning the job's rotation are "elitests"

[treos100]

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Escrito originalmente por treos100:

"People don't typically do POTD for fun, they do it because it's one of the most effecient ways of leveling up, ESPECIALLY for a DPS."

again, not talking for everyone. in fact, i'd say you and 1-2 other people in this thread are about the worst i've seen of FFXIV so far. it's generally been fun and everyone i've partied and played with have been friendly and helpful.

well, there was the subreddit for this game but that bridge got nuked by elitists who were trying to force their way of playing the game onto me.

Subreddit? Elitests? "force their way of playing the game onto me"

Why do I get the feeling you think people telling you to not to freestyle and learning the job's rotation are "elitests"

no but claiming there is only one objectively correct way to play a video game never has nor will be true and there were some trying to make that claim.

different people have different play styles with video games. there is no one single correct way to play a video game.

like i was saying about potd and the overworld content. not everyone plays games the same way and there is no one true correct or incorrect way to play video games.

[Nico Yazawa]

Escrito originalmente por treos100:

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Subreddit? Elitests? "force their way of playing the game onto me"

Why do I get the feeling you think people telling you to not to freestyle and learning the job's rotation are "elitests"

no but claiming there is only one objectively correct way to play a video game never has nor will be true and there were some trying to make that claim.

different people have different play styles with video games. there is no one single correct way to play a video game.

See, that's not ncessarily true.

Games have rules, whether you want to follow them or not.

For instance, the goal of Mario is to beat the level, beat the stages, rescue the princess etc.

The "wrong" way to play would be jumping into every pit, because you enjoy that.

Or playing tic-tac-toe, and instead of playing how it's meant to be you go "I get to go twice and put my circles in BETWEEN the lines so it counts for BOTH SPOTS"

It doesn't work that way.

People can give you SUGGESTIONS and recommendations "I recommend, skipping ARR you aren't missing much, it's mostly filler." is the recommendation and suggestion of one person. Just as much as "You should take your time and play through the story at your own pace."

[Aphelium]

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Escrito originalmente por treos100:

no but claiming there is only one objectively correct way to play a video game never has nor will be true and there were some trying to make that claim.

different people have different play styles with video games. there is no one single correct way to play a video game.

See, that's not ncessarily true.

Games have rules, whether you want to follow them or not.

For instance, the goal of Mario is to beat the level, beat the stages, rescue the princess etc.

The "wrong" way to play would be jumping into every pit, because you enjoy that.

Or playing tic-tac-toe, and instead of playing how it's meant to be you go "I get to go twice and put my circles in BETWEEN the lines so it counts for BOTH SPOTS"

It doesn't work that way.

People can give you SUGGESTIONS and recommendations "I recommend, skipping ARR you aren't missing much, it's mostly filler." is the recommendation and suggestion of one person. Just as much as "You should take your time and play through the story at your own pace."

Quite funny that the dude who doesn't want to follow the game's TOS is speaking about rules...

[Nico Yazawa]

Escrito originalmente por Aphelium:

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

See, that's not ncessarily true.

Games have rules, whether you want to follow them or not.

For instance, the goal of Mario is to beat the level, beat the stages, rescue the princess etc.

The "wrong" way to play would be jumping into every pit, because you enjoy that.

Or playing tic-tac-toe, and instead of playing how it's meant to be you go "I get to go twice and put my circles in BETWEEN the lines so it counts for BOTH SPOTS"

It doesn't work that way.

People can give you SUGGESTIONS and recommendations "I recommend, skipping ARR you aren't missing much, it's mostly filler." is the recommendation and suggestion of one person. Just as much as "You should take your time and play through the story at your own pace."

Quite funny that the dude who doesn't want to follow the game's TOS is speaking about rules...

I do follow the ToS as I was never struck once.

Now, care to not derail a thread for no reason?

[Aphelium]

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

Escrito originalmente por Aphelium:

Quite funny that the dude who doesn't want to follow the game's TOS is speaking about rules...

I do follow the ToS as I was never struck once.

Now, care to not derail a thread for no reason?

Notice the "want" in the sentence? Guess not.

[Nico Yazawa]

Escrito originalmente por Aphelium:

Escrito originalmente por Koishi Komeiji:

I do follow the ToS as I was never struck once.

Now, care to not derail a thread for no reason?

Notice the "want" in the sentence? Guess not.

I mean, yeah I "want" some of the bad rules replaced, but hey what can you do.

[Moonvalley]

There is an mmorpg for people with adhd, it's called 'World of Warcraft" and Blizzard loves your money!

[Oberon]

Escrito originalmente por AnimeGamerWeeb:

There is an mmorpg for people with adhd, it's called 'World of Warcraft" and Blizzard loves your money!

Especially if its in Yuan.