Rogue leveling is horrible

[Vhayne]

So I got sick of WoW, and wanted to re-try FFXIV. I decided to level up a rogue since I want to try playing a ninja. Well, I'm level 21 so far, and I'm shocked at how "simple" the combat is.

Let me explain.

Engage mob with throw attack (hits for about 22)
Use Spinning Edge (hits for about 22)
Use Gut Slash (hits for about 40 when combo'd off of SE)

Repeat SE and GS over and over again (TWO BUTTONS) until mob is dead.

Oh, and I can use Assassinate every 40 seconds when the mob is less than 20%, and that "special" skill hits for a whopping 50 damage or so. Usually doesn't even kill the mob.


So, looking through the upcoming skills, it doesn't seem like anything is going to change, except when maybe in a group setting, and I can get behind the mob for a different skill.


The reason I'm here complaining about this, is that this game is revered. Tons of people seem to love it. I don't hate it at all, I'm just not sure how you can consider this gameplay "good". Am I missing something? It's boring as hell!

I keep reading, "It gets better at 50, 70, etc."

How in the heck did you even make it that far with combat like this?! It's like, "here man, bang your head into this wall for the next 30 hours...trust me though, it will begin to feel good around 20 hours in." Seriously?

[galacticcorgi]

Are you actually doing quests or trying to rely on monster EXP?

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

lols

[Nico Yazawa]

Aarkethrix님이 먼저 게시:

Ford님이 먼저 게시:

My honest advice? Play a different job. I tried leveling ninja (which rogue becomes) up. I hated it. Literally any other melee DPS is more fun than Ninja.

Why are you necroing a thread from more than a year ago?

I was wondering why I'm getting comments in my inbox, I haven't posted in any threads for a good while now so I had no idea.

Bam, 1 year old thread resurfacing.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Just focus on the main story, you will level as you do it. There are a few moments where you don't get enough exp to do the next mission, I suggest you do POTD for the extra exp you need as it is the easiest way. Just work your way through it til you unlock POTD 51-60 then do that over and over while listening to a podcast

Rogue is dull, but Ninja has a lot more going for it and you will unlock it at 30. Just do the story and you won't have to do all that much combat til you reach nin

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

corona-san brings the weirdest of people togheter

[Quiet]

true, but whatever you do, don't buy the leveling powerup on the mogstation.

I did that and bought a samurai lvl 70 boost, because I heard the leveling of this game was really boring (also experienced it myself for 15 lvls)
kinda regret doing that in the end because I didn't get to play the samurai story when I reached stormblood which is a shame tbh, I wish they implemented a way to replay job lore even when you buy a boost.

anyway, it does get alot more complicated for all classes when you reach lvl 60/70

Samurai is dead simple on early lvls, trough it isn't a hard class in general, at higher lvls it does require you to connect some neurons, paying attention and making quick decisions if you make a mistake or if you want to maintain maximum weeb dps when facing boss's mechanics

I heard Ninja was alot harder so good luck lol, I wish assassin and ninja were two separate job tho

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

The boosts are mostly for players with alts, buy them as a new player and you miss tons of story.

[Drakzen]

It is once you get ninja do you start having to do more. Though somehow you will still see people who can't class basics despite the first 30 levels being all about them.

[Wraithverge]

Vhayne님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, that sounds good. So level 30 or 35, basically once I become a ninja instead of rogue right?

I just can't wrap my head about why the company and players are okay with the early gameplay design like this. I mean, unless you are really determined, most people are going to quit before reaching 30+.

I can see this simplistic approach for levels 1-10 maybe. But even that might be pushing it. Telling someone that the game they are playing won't even be fun and engaging until they reach half the levelcap means there is something wrong. :(

if that were the case WoW would'Ve never been successful. WoW is even worse with it's few skills that each class can use ^^.

[Quiet]

Traductus님이 먼저 게시:

Vhayne님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, that sounds good. So level 30 or 35, basically once I become a ninja instead of rogue right?

I just can't wrap my head about why the company and players are okay with the early gameplay design like this. I mean, unless you are really determined, most people are going to quit before reaching 30+.

I can see this simplistic approach for levels 1-10 maybe. But even that might be pushing it. Telling someone that the game they are playing won't even be fun and engaging until they reach half the levelcap means there is something wrong. :(

if that were the case WoW would'Ve never been successful. WoW is even worse with it's few skills that each class can use ^^.

that's also true, unless you're playing on a private server, wow leveling is also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful

[Nico Yazawa]

Traductus님이 먼저 게시:

Vhayne님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, that sounds good. So level 30 or 35, basically once I become a ninja instead of rogue right?

I just can't wrap my head about why the company and players are okay with the early gameplay design like this. I mean, unless you are really determined, most people are going to quit before reaching 30+.

I can see this simplistic approach for levels 1-10 maybe. But even that might be pushing it. Telling someone that the game they are playing won't even be fun and engaging until they reach half the levelcap means there is something wrong. :(

if that were the case WoW would'Ve never been successful. WoW is even worse with it's few skills that each class can use ^^.

Lol, there it is.

The WoW Bad, FFXIV good narrative people parrot left and right.

Let's not lie to ourselves, WoW's early levels have more abilities and things you'd use than FFXIV does, Dragoon, (or Lancer if you will) doesn't even get their 3rd combo step until something like 24.

So until then you're doing 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2, you don't even have Heavy Thrust anymore, it's just 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2

[ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦]

What makes WoW special is that you can customise and use just about whatever gear you find. Gives you a different sight on progression. I can agree FFXIV does customization badly, its mostly lazy combos, WoW is about the same.

I used to play a warrior in WoW, was fun to run around with fist weapons, big swords, 2 big axes, or what have you, very fun class to play. FFXIV doesn't really offer you the same thing. What makes FFXIV good is the story. Honestly ESO is above both WoW and FFXIV, gives you a ton of customization, a single class can be whichever role you want and you can level and do quests wherever you want with scaled quests. Also cheap housing in ESO and a ton of customization.

Hmm another big point about FFXIV is that you don't have to make another character if you want to try another class, you can swap on them on the fly, no need to redo every quest again.

In the end both FFXIV and WoW come down to endless dungeon grinds, same dungeon over and over again. I always ended up watching movies or anime to keep myself from falling asleep...

MMo's have become really stale lately too, dungeon finder, raid finder and garrisons made people anti social in WoW, nobody talks. In early days of WoW you could only do dungeons with the same server, your reputation mattered, you found guilds and friends, but now... its just another single player open world game with boring story and boring dungeons.

FFXIV does it a bit better, some dungeons can be brutal and you need to communicate to get trough without wipes. FFXIV also seems to offer a less toxic community than WoW, without dps meters, factions and stuff, people are more friendly.

I got every single job to 80 in FFXIV and finnished the main story, got bored and now waiting for another big patch to arrive, grinding raids is even more worse than dungeons :\

[mices]

A bit late to the party here, but let me spell it out for people who are having a hard time.

Level 1-50 is a tutorial. There's no real challenge there, and you can just wander around with no idea really how your class works, or what you are doing (but you should pay attention, as each fight is trying to progress you forward to the type of brutal mechanics you will experience later).

This is not WoW. Our community is generally very non toxic, and there's so many people willing to help frustrated new players.

You think the 1-50 grind is too easy and boring? Join a active free company and find some people willing to do binding coils with you. You'll change your mind pretty quick.

If you find the early game and the learning too slow - you could always pay square enix and just level/story skip it all - but you'll miss out on actually learning how to play your class, you'll miss out on a freaking wonderful story, and you'll likely be a useless mess in any real (savage/ultimate) content for months.

This game gets a lot harder. It does it's best job to try to brace for you how hard and tough it gets. Relax and enjoy a wonderful story, and don't stress about min/maxing too much until you actually get to current tier content - at which point you'll find things change a lot.

[Quiet]

Koishi Komeiji님이 먼저 게시:

Traductus님이 먼저 게시:

if that were the case WoW would'Ve never been successful. WoW is even worse with it's few skills that each class can use ^^.

Lol, there it is.

The WoW Bad, FFXIV good narrative people parrot left and right.

Let's not lie to ourselves, WoW's early levels have more abilities and things you'd use than FFXIV does, Dragoon, (or Lancer if you will) doesn't even get their 3rd combo step until something like 24.

So until then you're doing 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2, you don't even have Heavy Thrust anymore, it's just 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2

nobody
ABSOLUTELY NOBODY HERE

N O B O D Y: Said anything about wow being bad and ff14 being way better
omg

It's a fact dude, that wow classes has less skills to use in general than ff14s classes
He never said anything about wow being bad, he simply stated the truth.

Calm down.

[Quiet]

ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦님이 먼저 게시:

What makes WoW special is that you can customise and use just about whatever gear you find. Gives you a different sight on progression. I can agree FFXIV does customization badly, its mostly lazy combos, WoW is about the same.

I used to play a warrior in WoW, was fun to run around with fist weapons, big swords, 2 big axes, or what have you, very fun class to play. FFXIV doesn't really offer you the same thing. What makes FFXIV good is the story. Honestly ESO is above both WoW and FFXIV, gives you a ton of customization, a single class can be whichever role you want and you can level and do quests wherever you want with scaled quests. Also cheap housing in ESO and a ton of customization.

Hmm another big point about FFXIV is that you don't have to make another character if you want to try another class, you can swap on them on the fly, no need to redo every quest again.

In the end both FFXIV and WoW come down to endless dungeon grinds, same dungeon over and over again. I always ended up watching movies or anime to keep myself from falling asleep...

MMo's have become really stale lately too, dungeon finder, raid finder and garrisons made people anti social in WoW, nobody talks. In early days of WoW you could only do dungeons with the same server, your reputation mattered, you found guilds and friends, but now... its just another single player open world game with boring story and boring dungeons.

FFXIV does it a bit better, some dungeons can be brutal and you need to communicate to get trough without wipes. FFXIV also seems to offer a less toxic community than WoW, without dps meters, factions and stuff, people are more friendly.

I got every single job to 80 in FFXIV and finnished the main story, got bored and now waiting for another big patch to arrive, grinding raids is even more worse than dungeons :\

ESO combat system is worse than both of these game tho, even the devs think so.

I think they are planning to revamp or improve it this year ?
It's true that ff14 offer less customisation than wow however I don't think ff14 combo are more lazy than wows ones.

ever played warrior during legion or even bfa ? It's dead simple, wow classes used to be more complex but they keep making them more and more simple every xpac.