Can a mod delete this thread thanks

[Purple Sauce]

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[Taran Tatsuuchi]

The reason is simple.

FFXIV is successful enough that it can still maintain a playerbase to fund the game on a subscription service.


There's very few games that can maintain a subscription service in the mmo genre and succeed.
Most of them fail as subscription mmos and fall to free to play or buy to play models.

[Aishikai]

Cool, see you

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

I can never understand why people need to tell us these things and keep making topics outlining why the sub is too much for them....

(and at this point it honestly sounds like you're trying to justify something or overcompensate for something else)

[Ruse]

Цитата допису Delimon:

Цитата допису Taran Tatsuuchi:

The reason is simple.

FFXIV is successful enough that it can still maintain a playerbase to fund the game on a subscription service.


There's very few games that can maintain a subscription service in the mmo genre and succeed.
Most of them fail as subscription mmos and fall to free to play or buy to play models.

I completely agree, which is why I'm fine with paying a subscription for a game like this. But not paying 40 bucks for a subscription AND the DLC. If it was a 5 bucks a month subscription then sure, I could do that, but not at the current rate. For that to be worth it (IMO) I would need to play nothing but this game to get my monies worth but I can guarantee that's not going to happen.

You sound poor and entitled. Good bye.

[LilShua]

Цитата допису Delimon:

Цитата допису Lord Doober De La Goober XVI:

I can never understand why people need to tell us these things and keep making topics outlining why the sub is too much for them....

(and at this point it honestly sounds like you're trying to justify something or overcompensate for something else)

Maybe because there are many of us in the same boat? I clearly stated, the subscription fee is not too much for me, the problem I have is that I would honestly have to pay as much for a full priced game for expansions AND have to pay a subscription fee that's worth around 2 games a year. Clearly, many of us have a problem with this.

but u arent gonna convince square enix of this nor do they care tbh, this game failed once already and with the wonderful work that yoshi p brought to the game development, its worth paying for and i get that maybe u want to get your moneys worth in but this is an MMO u can play casual but this is constantly ever evolving and i doubt any of us will ever get our moneys worth, its a wonderful game that will continue for many years, if u feel that u cant get that moneys worth when u say you have a huge backlog of games u want to play maybe u should focus on that instead of this. this game is quite huge and has alot of offer. id say beat ur games first than come join this community.

[★Brosef]

With an online game you gotta make money either through lootboxes, subscriptions or e-sports cuz paying a fee just for the game will eventually lead it to stagnate.

Which is why I'm not sure what it is that Warframe does though I've never played it so I wouldnt know.

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

Цитата допису Delimon:

Dude, my bills are paid 4-6 months in advance. Poor is the last thing I am. Just because I wish to choose how I spend my money doesn't make me entitled.

I would go blind if I had to roll my eyes any harder

Цитата допису Delimon:

Цитата допису Lord Doober De La Goober XVI:

I can never understand why people need to tell us these things and keep making topics outlining why the sub is too much for them....

(and at this point it honestly sounds like you're trying to justify something or overcompensate for something else)

Maybe because there are many of us in the same boat? I clearly stated, the subscription fee is not too much for me, the problem I have is that I would honestly have to pay as much for a full priced game for expansions AND have to pay a subscription fee that's worth around 2 games a year. Clearly, many of us have a problem with this.

Not that many when compared to the ones who ARE ok with it. Most topics here with this theme become one sided rather quickly and this is the STEAM forums, imagine if you post this rant of yours on the official one

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Цитата допису Delimon:

Is the price. I played this game a long time ago and I enjoyed it but simply did not have the time investment to put into the game. I hear more great things so I check up on it every now and then to see how things are going. If I want to play new content, not only do I have to pay a subscription fee I also have to pay 40-60 bucks for an expansion pack?

I know I sound like I'm whining and I'm far from poor, but you're definitely going to have to pick one or the other, not both. That's honestly a lot of money to drop on one game that you cannot get a refund for.

I'm more than willing to pay for expansions, but I'm not really willing to pay a subscription fee on top of that when I have many many other games on my list to play as is if you see what I mean. I don't even know if I would pay 20 dollars for the DLCs simply because of the subscription fee being pretty expensive for a single game. For the price of the subscription fee alone, you could buy around 2 brand new games a year, that's a lot of money to put into one product, and I've done it before and I like this game. But I can't say that I like enough or have the time to invest hundreds of dollars into one product that I have to pay to keep playing.

If you read this far thanks for reading and thanks for your time and have a wonderful day!

You know that this IS one of the cheapest ways to play an mmo? That is why it is so popular and WoW and FF use it. You pay your fee and you get nearly everything (beside some emotes and some rides), you have no trouble to lack behind the others becuase of money, you can easily get everything in the game with a standard erfort (beside endgame). An DLC is alot of work and alot additional content, so its normal that such a huge content package has a price ( a DLC is basicaly a full new game in the ammount of the conntent it has, so as a sample if you play Fallout 3 and then buy fallout 4, well fallout 4 is the DLC).

All other ways of handling this are either bad for the producer or bad for the players.

Samples:

-GW2: pay once then play free, this can only work properly if there comes no additional conntent, the moment you add content someone needed to work for that so you need to pay them, so GW2 wants money for the DLCs( as i know), but dont expect them to add in extra content or have a good support service, because if no monthly fees those services run on minimum.

-BDO: one of the worst systems right now on the market, you pay for the game, and then you basicaly get the minimum game, if you want more you need to buy the montly premium, but hey still not enough, if you want to be really good in some point you need to drop 400+ dollars a month into that game for the special direction you want to evolve (horse breeding, workers manufacturing, gearing up), additionaly to that all standard armors you can get free in the game look like the last garbage, so you need to buy skin to not look like the last hobo of the universe.

-then there are countless models of the free to play system, they are basicaly the same as BDO just that you do not need to pay for the game itself, but they bomb you even more with purchase offers and are mostly pay to win.

[Elenoe]

I've got the entire game with both existing expansions for like 25€. Way less then what's the content worth (especially compared to "new games").

I consider sub itself justified considering the support and how often the updates come and how much content like new dungeons/bosses they are constantly bringing in (I come from MMO where we waited 6-12months for a single dung or small zone, but it was "free").

So I would be pretty happy with how it gets regularily updated for the money spent. It's an MMO after all. New content itself is only part of the fun.

And on top of that expansions here are pretty huge. It's not just one new zone with one more class and two dungs update. It's pretty massive update for everything. So paying 3 months subs for that bonus content still seems just a small price.

And you can always get it cheaper if you wait a bit.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Just get the base game and expansions in the future. A realm reborn takes ages anyway. You'll have tons to do without needing expansions for a good while.

[Helldiver]

I see this as you wanting to play the game but don't have the money to buy the game and continue paying for the sub.

[erogg]

If you get Shadowbringers you will have access to all the previous expansions aswell and considering all the content each expansion offers I think its a great deal

[Omega24]

i've found the price per expansion reasonable compared to other games.

[Illyasviel09]

"For the price of the subscription fee alone, you could buy around 2 brand new games a year". Sure, but each of those games won't last more than a month

[Elazul]

FFXI still has a subscription and that game is what 17+ years old. No way this game ever goes F2P.