After playing other mmo's FF14 becomes so boring

[Psycha]

As title says, if you play alot of mmo's then you come to this or even coming back to FF14 it becomes such a snore fest, the same crap as every other expansion and every other content patch.

New Patch/expansion: Go through a cookie cutter story dialog and have to replace your old top tier gear you worked hard for then once you get all this done they hit you with a patch that makes all of that ♥♥♥♥ you worked for useless.

Some of you might recommend Gw2 and I'd say ok but until they either update the engine or re invent their player economy because lemme tell you, gold amounts per day you grind for are so low compared to ALL other mmorpg's that have thousands or billions in their economy numbers(BDO for example with the high amount of silver as a normal amount).

To sum up what I'm trying to say is, if you are thinking about coming back and are on the fence about what game to play, spend the sub money elsewhere because my sub renewal last night was a mistake.

This game is a good dating sim though, that deserves a thumbs up, alot of lonely fat men wanting to have sex with my digital cat girl is amazing lol.

[DevilMayCry]

ive played the game over 1k hours about 90% was spent crafting and running the marketplace, combat was a sleeper

[Crush]

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ive played the game over 1k hours about 90% was spent crafting and running the marketplace, combat was a sleeper

And tehre is the problem: Even the PotD has gotten hundreds of floors.

[Alun1]

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DevilMayCry a écrit :

ive played the game over 1k hours about 90% was spent crafting and running the marketplace, combat was a sleeper

And tehre is the problem: Even the PotD has gotten hundreds of floors.

PotD has 200, and HoH has 150 (i think)

and yes combat is slow until you get more OGCD abilities, everyone is told that by the community. this isn't a fast-paced game, you pick up abilities as you go instead of getting them all at once. it's better that way because you learn what the abilities do instead of getting them all and being overwhelmed

[Matt & the Cat]

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Crush a écrit :

And tehre is the problem: Even the PotD has gotten hundreds of floors.

PotD has 200, and HoH has 150 (i think)

and yes combat is slow until you get more OGCD abilities, everyone is told that by the community. this isn't a fast-paced game, you pick up abilities as you go instead of getting them all at once. it's better that way because you learn what the abilities do instead of getting them all and being overwhelmed

200 for PotD and 100 for HoH. Floor 91-100 is the last random matched queue for PotD and 21-30 for HoH. Floors 101-200 and 31-100 are solo and premade parties only. Combat is made with controllers in mind.

[I Got Spurs]

honestly i have to say its one of the better MMOs out there at the moment personally, i would play and love ESO but the devs for that game are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ greedy with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ store system, for example, 3 reskinned horses aside, you cant get a single mount through gameplay, its all from the store, not to mention all the other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they do with its store that makes the game not worth investing in, like loot boxes, and the pay to win subscription that gives you a bank with unlimited space for gathering profession items, and that speeds certain things up that can take up to around 60 days without it, good luck getting anything done in a reasonable amount of time without that subscription

and as for world of warcraft, i like that game but at the moment it just feels... i dunno, during legion i always wanted to go back and play more after taking a break, but during the current expansion my breaks have been way longer and i havent felt like wanting to come back nearly as much as i did during legion

right now, FF14 is the only MMO out of the 3 that i actually wanna play, i started playing 2 months ago properly, before that i played to level 14 on PC a few years ago before going back to wow during legion cause of a new update and played briefly on the PS4 years before that, ive been playing for 2 months straight right now and dont feel burned out yet as im working my way towards current content while taking a break to level different classes after i finish each expansion, and its pretty fun, being able to play all classes on one character really helps

obviously its not for everyone, and the game has its flaws, but so far it feels like a solid game

[I Got Spurs]

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Eco a écrit :

honestly i have to say its one of the better MMOs out there at the moment personally, i would play and love ESO but the devs for that game are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ greedy with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ store system, for example, 3 reskinned horses aside, you cant get a single mount through gameplay, its all from the store, not to mention all the other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they do with its store that makes the game not worth investing in, like loot boxes, and the pay to win subscription that gives you a bank with unlimited space for gathering profession items, and that speeds certain things up that can take up to around 60 days without it, good luck getting anything done in a reasonable amount of time without that subscription

and as for world of warcraft, i like that game but at the moment it just feels... i dunno, during legion i always wanted to go back and play more after taking a break, but during the current expansion my breaks have been way longer and i havent felt like wanting to come back nearly as much as i did during legion

right now, FF14 is the only MMO out of the 3 that i actually wanna play, i started playing 2 months ago properly, before that i played to level 14 on PC a few years ago before going back to wow during legion cause of a new update and played briefly on the PS4 years before that, ive been playing for 2 months straight right now and dont feel burned out yet as im working my way towards current content while taking a break to level different classes after i finish each expansion, and its pretty fun, being able to play all classes on one character really helps

obviously its not for everyone, and the game has its flaws, but so far it feels like a solid game

This is objectively flase. There are mounts you get through the new levelling system and also vendors that sell them, unless they removed them just recently. Also calling bigger bag space "pay to win" is just ridiculous. If that's the case being able to buy more retainers in FF14 makes it pay to win. You get no competitive advantage through it, it's just convenience.

I've played ESO since beta and payed for the sub for 2 months back when it was mandatory, moving over to steam and linking my account only recently. You can absolutely do everything in that game without needing Plus.

well every time i tried to look up if there were mounts that werent in the store or asked friends who play the game heavily if you could get mounts from dungeons and raids no one said anything about mounts that werent from the store, besides, you cant deny that the amount of greed the devs have with all the ♥♥♥♥ in that games store is ridiculous, i have a friend who plays the game occasionally and can go into a full blown rant about everything bad about that games store, and the subscription bonuses, and how greedy it is, in fact everything i mentioned is going off memory from what i remember him saying, so if i get anything wrong or outdated thats probably why cause it was a while ago since i spoke to him about it

and getting an unlimited storage space, UNLIMITED, (again, going based on memory from what my friend said) for crafting components for paying a subscription, and having to deal with craft times that can get up to 60 days of wait time without the subscription seems pretty pay to win to me

and i would actually argue the paying for more retainers thing is one of the games flaws i was talking about, paying for the base game, expansions, and a regular subscription seems more than enough income to me, and thats before counting the games real money store and people buying the special editions of the base game and expansions

[Oberon]

NaliWarcow a écrit :

I dont know what gold is too. We havbe a currency called gil here..

If you don't know what gold is, you're very new to gaming. Yes, we have a different word for it in this game, but we at least understand when someone is using the equivalent term from another game.

[Oberon]

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The Mayor of Murder Town a écrit :

If you don't know what gold is, you're very new to gaming. Yes, we have a different word for it in this game, but we at least understand when someone is using the equivalent term from another game.

Rethorical.

But hey, good way to figure out something here. You seem upset about another arguement hench you need to post that to me. What made it more clear is you really did not read any of my other post other then that.

I'm not upset, though. Honestly you're sounding more upset than I am.

[Alun1]

NaliWarcow a écrit :

Are you reffering to wow?

no he is reffering to ESO which is why he mentioned Cyrodiil.

[Oberon]

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The Mayor of Murder Town a écrit :

I'm not upset, though. Honestly you're sounding more upset than I am.

You sahould read the whole arguement instead of resorting to low wquality trolls.

Honestly, really, do it. Dont just pick one 'line' about it.

Seriously? You jump in Aark because he said "gold" instead of "gil", but I'm trolling for pointing out that you should know they're the same thing?

NaliWarcow a écrit :

Retainers are pay 2 'win'.

Incorrect.

NaliWarcow a écrit :

Just because there's no pvp element in it, doesnt meanm there's not the competition between crafters/gatherers.

Yes, and more storage space does nothing for that.

NaliWarcow a écrit :

You should know that with your 7000 hours.

I do, that's why I know you're wrong on all fronts.

[Oberon]

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I have 2 full retainers of materials, having a min, btn, ltw, at 80 and alot of jobs at 70.

I cant even get store gear to an extend with all thhe classes I have without sacrificing to even starting gear for dclasses like dancer.

That's definitely a "you" problem. It's not the game's fault you're no good at inventory management.

[Mandodo]

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AarkTheDragon a écrit :

Thought you were still talking about ESO since that was what the slight tangent was about, because we're allowed to have discussions here regardless of whether or not you think it's proper.

Retainers are not pay 2 win because they don't give you an advantage, at all. They're convenience and nothing more. If you think that's p2w you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that term even means. Between your bags and your Saddlebag, you have more than enough space for everything you could need and if you're just hoarding materials and never using them you're doing it HORRIBLY wrong. My FC and friend groups all have dediated crafter/gatherers and nobody has ever had any issue with bag space, not while levelling, not while storing, not while level 80 mat hoarding. If you're having storage issues, you're doing it wrong, if you think retainers are p2w, you don't know what youre talking about.

And going around calling everybody who knows more about the game than you do "trolls" just reinforces that last point.

They are convenience?

With all the jmaterials out there, you're sayin g they are convenience?

I have 2 full retainers of materials, having a min, btn, ltw, at 80 and alot of jobs at 70.

I have all DoW/DoM and DoL/DoH's all at 80.

If both retainers are full, you are doing it wrong.

At 80 or even level 70 you should not have a ton of crafting material, even if you are just leveling them, **cough** trade/fieldcraft level **cough**

And yes, at level 80, they would hoard level 80 mats.....duh?

Max for (free in FF XIV) we get 400+ inventory slots.

ESO you get a max of 110.

Others you get way less.

Not to mention, unlike other games, important items, story related or quest related does not even take up a spot in your regular inventory.

So I just did ishgard restoration last night and even then my inventory is empty by the end. If I need mats I can get any and everything in seconds.

There's never a need to hold ♥♥♥♥, except level 80 mats, unless you are currently leveling but even then the items should be used and or sold, not just held on too.

Now if you ever did maps at 80, which you have not, you'd realise why we hold those 80 mats..**cough** bed mount **cough**.

Whats funny is I have dedicated one entire retainer to holding all 3 sets of AF gear for each job, useless now due to being able to claim them, same with relics and animas and eurekas weapons and armor, so, technically you dont even need to hold gear.

That and now that desynth is easier, theres no need to hold stuff to sell them or just hold them.

Chocobo saddle bag alone is my mat and tackle holder.

You are hoarding for nothing.........and absolutely doing it very wrong.

[Mandodo]

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I have all DoW/DoM and DoL/DoH's all at 80.

If both retainers are full, you are doing it wrong.

At 80 or even level 70 you should not have a ton of crafting material, even if you are just leveling them, **cough** trade/fieldcraft level **cough**

And yes, at level 80, they would hoard level 80 mats.....duh?

Max for (free in FF XIV) we get 400+ inventory slots.

ESO you get a max of 110.

Others you get way less.

Not to mention, unlike other games, important items, story related or quest related does not even take up a spot in your regular inventory.

So I just did ishgard restoration last night and even then my inventory is empty by the end. If I need mats I can get any and everything in seconds.

There's never a need to hold ♥♥♥♥, except level 80 mats, unless you are currently leveling but even then the items should be used and or sold, not just held on too.

Now if you ever did maps at 80, which you have not, you'd realise why we hold those 80 mats..**cough** bed mount **cough**.

Whats funny is I have dedicated one entire retainer to holding all 3 sets of AF gear for each job, useless now due to being able to claim them, same with relics and animas and eurekas weapons and armor, so, technically you dont even need to hold gear.

That and now that desynth is easier, theres no need to hold stuff to sell them or just hold them.

Chocobo saddle bag alone is my mat and tackle holder.

You are hoarding for nothing.........and absolutely doing it very wrong.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Some people seriously just love to bash any and all monetization as exploitative and "pay 2 win" because they saw a youtuber say swear words while ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on EA and fundamentally misunderstood every word that was said.

It's outrage addiction, and people will just flat out make ♥♥♥♥ up in order to justify it. There's nothing p2w in FF14, and I've never heard of a single person until now that has issues with inventory space lol

Honestly, after playing since Alpha and Beta up to today, I have yet to even consider buying an extra retainer and would not know what to do if I did have an extra one.

IDK why people act like this too. They say the game is not so great but it's better than any current mmorpg out right now, even the systems are better than "The King of MMORPG's" WoW.

Nobody here can name a better game with better systems.

They just complain the game could be better.

I.E. like OP here.

I already explained in one comment exactly why the game has little to no Voice Acting, especially in earlier areas.

It's because, as 1.0 failed and the other dude was fired, Yoshi P came in to try and save the game.

THIS IS ALL IN THE DOCUMENTARY.

SE told Yoshi P, you get less than a half the money 1.0 team got and you HAVE to reuse assets, due to the fact that 1.0 failed, SE had no faith 2.0 would work and hence, gave them a lot less money.

Yoshi P took what he had and even some of his own personal money, no ♥♥♥♥, and built ARR, or 2.0.

You'll notice we got more voice acting during and a TON more after Heavensward.

That's because Heavensward was a success and the dev team made extra money.

Hence more voice acting in SB over HW and EVEN MORE voice acting in SHB over HW and SB and even ARR.

I feel the next expansion will almost be 100% fully voiced for main story only.

I explained it in more detail and even posted a video link too and yet, they still rage.

Now we got people raging about inventory and retainers like it's 2013 again.......

[Mandodo]

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Hellbound Heart a écrit :

Honestly, after playing since Alpha and Beta up to today, I have yet to even consider buying an extra retainer and would not know what to do if I did have an extra one.

IDK why people act like this too. They say the game is not so great but it's better than any current mmorpg out right now, even the systems are better than "The King of MMORPG's" WoW.

Nobody here can name a better game with better systems.

They just complain the game could be better.

I.E. like OP here.

I already explained in one comment exactly why the game has little to no Voice Acting, especially in earlier areas.

It's because, as 1.0 failed and the other dude was fired, Yoshi P came in to try and save the game.

THIS IS ALL IN THE DOCUMENTARY.

SE told Yoshi P, you get less than a half the money 1.0 team got and you HAVE to reuse assets, due to the fact that 1.0 failed, SE had no faith 2.0 would work and hence, gave them a lot less money.

Yoshi P took what he had and even some of his own personal money, no ♥♥♥♥, and built ARR, or 2.0.

You'll notice we got more voice acting during and a TON more after Heavensward.

That's because Heavensward was a success and the dev team made extra money.

Hence more voice acting in SB over HW and EVEN MORE voice acting in SHB over HW and SB and even ARR.

I feel the next expansion will almost be 100% fully voiced for main story only.

I explained it in more detail and even posted a video link too and yet, they still rage.

Now we got people raging about inventory and retainers like it's 2013 again.......

To be fair when it comes to things like class customization and PvP, FF14 falls pretty damn short of other options. The new player experience is also pretty garbage, though that is getting improved soon.

Overall though what it does is polished to a mirror shine and very few other games can offer the sheer level of content at all levels of play intensity, though other games definitely do one or two of the things FF14 does better.

Yeah, the game does have it's issues but, what it does right outweighs the bad in my opinion. That and the content roll out. I don't want one update a year but tons added to a cash shop.

[Krausser]

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AarkTheDragon a écrit :

To be fair when it comes to things like class customization and PvP, FF14 falls pretty damn short of other options. The new player experience is also pretty garbage, though that is getting improved soon.

Overall though what it does is polished to a mirror shine and very few other games can offer the sheer level of content at all levels of play intensity, though other games definitely do one or two of the things FF14 does better.

Yeah, the game does have it's issues but, what it does right outweighs the bad in my opinion. That and the content roll out. I don't want one update a year but tons added to a cash shop.

PVP falls short, yes, but I feel like extra customisation would just end like WoW - everybody using the same tree and maybe changing talents for one or two fights. Compared to WoW though the fights are a lot less static and there's a lot of optimisation to be done during the fights to outweight that ♥♥♥.