Why are Astros so trash?

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Every single dungeon and alliance raid i dip my toe in - If there is an astrologican, they are gonna squint out baby powder amounts of healing and/or die themselves non-stop and repeatedly.

Even now i had a dungeon run with a guy that played Astro on level 66. He had EVERY SINGLE OTHER class popped up to 70 besides that one - and he made us wipe twice, once by underhealing in a trash mob encounter and another time by running flat out of mana when the boss had 15% hp left.

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Shirayuki Z の投稿を引用：

In DF and AR most of players are trash (skill-wise) regardless which job they play, just because on some jobs it may be more visible doesn't make others better.

I'm speaking from a vast personal experience with them. They stick out like a sore THUMB when it comes to causing wipes and being generally very inefficient.

Shirayuki Z の投稿を引用：

PS: If boss was 15% on dungeon then you died for something more than just lack of healer mana, you got hit by some AoE.

You don't seem to understand. My last encounter that i'm describing in this thread had the dude literally only healing me for about 3500-5000 on level 65 and it's a disturbing, general theme i keep seeing over and over and over again.

[Oberon]

Coe の投稿を引用：

Shirayuki Z の投稿を引用：

PS: If boss was 15% on dungeon then you died for something more than just lack of healer mana, you got hit by some AoE.

You don't seem to understand. My last encounter that i'm describing in this thread had the dude literally only healing me for about 3500-5000 on level 65 and it's a disturbing, general theme i keep seeing over and over and over again.

That's entirely appropriate numbers for that level. And I'm with Shirayuki on this one, it definitely sounds like it was more than just bad healing.

[Nico Yazawa]

It's not limited to just AST.

This game has a shocking amount of trash tier players.

[Tomowatt]

Well, there are some things to take a look at if an astrologian's healing is sub-par.

1. Do they have a sect on? Astrologian has a choice between Diurnal Sect (Regen effect) or Nocturnal Sect (Shield effect). If they don't have either buff on, all their healing does is direct heal.
(During a raid, I may have screamed at an astrologian for 10 mins to put a sect on. It was particularly frustrating for me because I was an astrologian in that raid too.)

2. Do they remember to use Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios? On Diurnal Sect, those spells apply regen to target(s); on Nocturnal Sect, they apply shield. Even if they have a sect on, it doesn't count for much if they don't actually use those spells.

3. Every other tool. Lucid Dreaming to recover mana. Esuna to get rid of pesky DoTs and debuffs. Essential Dignity for a snap-heal, and Lightspeed for faster heals.

Besides those, a big part about healing is the ability to predict incoming damage. Great healers can time their heals so that they heal target(s) immediately after damage, instead of merely responding to it.

[Meltankos]

AST have a RNG aspect to them but that doesnt mean they are automatically trash , their heals are = in potency with other healers... so yeah. But if your AST puts his Nocturnal stance while you have a SCH in your party he's bad. SCH and AST shield DO NOT STACK.

[Prince-Nyan]

Hard to agree with OP on this one, you've got like 6-20k hp around lvl61-65 and you argued about 'weak heals' when it's as previously said, the approperate numbers for that level. It is almost always the tanks fault, given the heal value claims you were either a Paladin or Darknight, as Warriors get +20% healing, even a trash healer can heal a paladin, who pretty much don't even need a healer which can afk the entire run for majority of dungeons, so you were a Darknight.

So many darknights are undergeared and never pop cooldowns, them blame the healer for having "No Mana" when they were spam healing you while the Dragoon has better tank stats. I have to agree with above, you walked into AoE, didn't migrate damage and expected the healer to have unlimited MP.

[astemix]

AS Aste myself i go from haveing tanks that is more and lesss "do you need an heal... ok just another hot on you and we talk later." to "i just looked away for one second and your arms gone missing." I do not know the strenghts or the weakneses of the tanks.
But when i get a tank that is fragile it can go being an anoying instance no matter if i am a SCO or an AST.
Then as i remember tanks job is to get agro, Absorb damage and migitate as much as possible of that. After that is to produce dps.
After all you do have dps in the run that is meant to make those numbers.

[Hyourinmaru]

Meltankos の投稿を引用：

AST have a RNG aspect to them but that doesnt mean they are automatically trash , their heals are = in potency with other healers... so yeah. But if your AST puts his Nocturnal stance while you have a SCH in your party he's bad. SCH and AST shield DO NOT STACK.

As a player who plays all classes (one more casual than the other) I've been in this situation multiple times only to find out...The SCH is not shielding anybody with anything at all. (trash players). Thus a Noct with a Sch in party actually happens more often than you think.

[Meltankos]

Hyourinmaru の投稿を引用：

Meltankos の投稿を引用：

AST have a RNG aspect to them but that doesnt mean they are automatically trash , their heals are = in potency with other healers... so yeah. But if your AST puts his Nocturnal stance while you have a SCH in your party he's bad. SCH and AST shield DO NOT STACK.

As a player who plays all classes (one more casual than the other) I've been in this situation multiple times only to find out...The SCH is not shielding anybody with anything at all. (trash players). Thus a Noct with a Sch in party actually happens more often than you think.

Well don't generalize stuff , I hate being stuck as a SCH main w an ast who overwrites shields so one of us is in the end useless , Meta-wise its not good , if your sch is trash okay maybe , but dying 1-2 times in a trials or raids doesnt automaticly means the healers are trash also.

[xyz]

You just got bad luck with bad players, ASTs aren't bad as a class. They have cleared all content I imagine.

[Lioness 西施]

AST certainly has a learning curve. I'm leveling one right now, and I've had to develop skills that I didn't need when I played WHM.

MP management is almost its own minigame on AST, whereas WHM never needs to worry about it.

AST doesn't have the safety nets that WHM has. Tetra and Benediction are great at erasing mistakes -- both the tank's and the healer's.

AST relies on Synastry, Essential Dignity, Earthly Star, and maybe Lightspeed. These require more forethought to use properly, and they only mitigate mistakes, not erase them.

AST punishes bad play (the whole team's) a lot more than WHM. But I like that. AST is forcing me to become a better healer.

Still, we're going to make mistakes. No one is perfect.

[Critical Chocolate]

You are playing with bad astros plain and simple, yes theres a learning curve and no its not as heal bomby as white mage.

Card management is also a big deal that not all newer players can grasp, I see it all the time, and it makes me cry since AST is my main healing class.