Are preset groups needed? For any difficulty Dungeon/Raid.

[Dena Beloved]

As the title says.

Just have a poor history of being around people in preset groups. So wondering if it is just as viable to go with random made parties, and still be just as viable. Seeing so many guide videos, it comes off as people all in a set team, is all.

Know MMOs are for communities, buuut yeah haha

[*✿*GameOnGirl*✿*]

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But something has to be said, skill and knowledge of random players from df/pf is terrible bad. Doing anything bigger than extreme with randoms is just desperation [/quote]

Oh I get that and my point was those things can be discussed without using derogatory terms is all.

I think players should know their limits as in could they and do they want to put in the time and effort to master the most difficult content of this game and if the answer is no for whatever reason it may be then just find other things to do ( and there are plenty of other content to have fun with, not everyone is made to do the extreme savage stuff in games anyway).

I also think if someone hasn't done that stuff before and wants to try it and find out if it's something they want to learn and all they should do that without feeling like they have to walk in on it knowing everything and being expert right off. That said not sure they can do that other then joining the random groups to check it out.

I am sure statics are set up so those that have them don't have to worry about that and those seeking them out hopefully can find a group for that content.

Every content should have some learning room but that said I get the frustrations of random group play for such content because there you are thrown in with a lot of players and if it's anything like other raid content you don't really have time to go over things or discuss what is going on and you don't have the advantage of discord to communicate where a set group may have these things in place.

I know that can help a lot to have a regular group that can actually talk so there is real time communication going on.

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

Първоначално публикувано от Shirayuki Z:

It helps to determine who is the issue so instant of disbanding party with let's say 5/6 good people you will just kick one or two who actually were causing problem.

is it really that hard to tell if somone DPS isn't up to par?

eh idk, kicking after a wipe I'm all for it (even more so if its end game Savage & EX content)
kicking them before it even starts because the logs says their DPS is low...thats where I get mixed feelings about parsing

[*✿*GameOnGirl*✿*]

Първоначално публикувано от Sgt Doe Crits:

...since everyone above seems to fail at adressing the question at hand and rather go into specifics already, let me clear up things.

Difficulty Settings

Final Fantasy XIV has three player group sizes for general content.

• Light Party / 4 players - Usually mid-size dungeons or learning content. (guildhests)
  
• Full Party / 8 players - Trials and Raids. Trials are huge bosses only, Raids might be more.
  
• Alliance / 24 players - Alliance Raids, large dungeons basically.

Based on this player setup, there are the following difficulties per category:

Light Party

• Normal - a normal dungeon or an easy trial.
  
• Hard - a dungeon previously used but revamped and with higher gear requirement.

Full Party

• Normal / Hard Trial - a fight against a boss with more mechanics than normal.
  
• Extreme Trial - a fight against a boss who packs and takes a lot of damage and mechanics.

• Normal Raid - a decent boss usually in side content, sometimes with a bit of run-through.
  
• Savage Raid - Strong bosses with painful damage and mechanics. The real deal.
  
• Ultimate Raid - introduced with 4.1x, an ultimate test for players who wish to test their mettle against this challenge.

Alliance

• Alliance Raid - a mid-difficult dungeon with decent bosses for 24 players.

EDIT / addtional info:

The content that usually requires your own group that you find in the game and play with regularly is Savage and Ultimate Raid and Extreme Trial to an extent. Otherwise you can play 90% of the game without anyone else and just queueing up via duty finder and random players.

great break down and your right, my post sort of made us go off topic lol. o/

[xxxaziexxx]

Първоначално публикувано от Shirayuki Z:

Първоначално публикувано от ~✿Blissy✿~:

didn't want to use your whole post there but I did read it ( only because it's long so easy enough to read original if needed :) ). well it's not as much a personal thing Fhaerron so I do appreciate you told us how it is for you in game and all.

It was more just that term and it did read like maybe it was encompassing those that are opposite of hard core player base but I guess that made me think why we have to even throw these kind of name calling out in such a general way.

But hey it brought up some discussion and sure it bring up some more opinions and thoughts so all good.

I don't think players should be saying things like that ( about what you wrote above) in games but I know there will be players that will do that. anyway appreciate all the thoughts and opinions from players about it.

^.^

But something has to be said, skill and knowledge of random players from df/pf is terrible bad. Doing anything bigger than extreme with randoms is just desperation

Maybe I'm just unlucky, but lately I've had some BAD runs of a lot of stuff in DF. I'm totally willing to teach people, but there seems to be a lot of people who don't want to learn, read chat, or get better at all.

Last night I was doing S3 for parts in DF and our Paladin in Shield Oath was losing aggro to a DPS stance Warrior. We wiped and the two tanks started yelling at each other until the Warrior refused to tank with "this trash".

Getting a pre-made group for stuff-- especially savage and extreme-- is about 100x easier.

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

Първоначално публикувано от xxxaziexxx:

We wiped and the two tanks started yelling at each other until the Warrior refused to tank with "this trash".

Getting a pre-made group for stuff-- especially savage and extreme-- is about 100x easier.

this, so much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this...so much fustration would go by if people followed this rule

Alex Savage was not made for randos

[Dena Beloved]

Well, gone for a day and already so much happening haha

We ask if you NEED preset groups, simply due to not really liking set teams we have to be around constantly, Find it doesn't go well. It is not so much about our own skill, but having to be around the same people with really no interaction outside the game itself. Gets, stagnet really. Incase it was a matter of skill, as to why we prefer to ask if non-premade groups were a possibility.

[*✿*GameOnGirl*✿*]

Първоначално публикувано от Dena Beloved:

Well, gone for a day and already so much happening haha

We ask if you NEED preset groups, simply due to not really liking set teams we have to be around constantly, Find it doesn't go well. It is not so much about our own skill, but having to be around the same people with really no interaction outside the game itself. Gets, stagnet really. Incase it was a matter of skill, as to why we prefer to ask if non-premade groups were a possibility.

haha yah but that's how discussion boards go I guess. well pretty much anything other then those savage and guess extreme ( not sure if all apply) guess most players would say find some kind of regular group that does it because of the difficulties. you always have the option to que for any dungeon/raid but because of those made to be a great challenge it's probably why players recommend you find a group you can do these with that meet on a regular basis together so each player understands their role, the mechanics of the instance and so on.

that said all the other types of instances you can make your own party and que, fill in what is needed if you don't have a full party and/or just que using the duty que for random groups.

So yes it's possible to do all things with random groups however as to the savage/extreme stuff mentioned seems that wouldn't be the best choice for those.

[Dena Beloved]

Yeah imagined such. Best to get opinions on it all still though haha