Speed hacking Bots. Thanks, but no thanks.

[Bryon]

Thought i would try the free trial and see what this game was all about. Not even 15 min into the game i see speed hacking bots all moving together. It was clear they were bots with random names and the way they moved together.

Not a good first impression. I think i'll go back to ESO.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Elenwei:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Happaned to me in WOD back before HW. I rolled need on a hat that actually would have been an upgrade while playing as Black Mage, some other dude in an i130 hat rolled need and won it and then said he just wanted to trade it in for seals. WOD gear, at the time, could not be traded in for seals, so then he said he just wanted it for the sake of completion.

So while I'm not down with Greed only for 24-man raids, I'm also not going to act as though the negatives to it couldn't just happen anyway. Except for tanks, actually.

It's not that it couldn't happen, it's that the chances of it happening were much, much smaller and infrequent than what is happening now. Instead of competition between one or two people, its potentially the whole party. The system in place before, while not perfect as you just described, was in place specifically to avoid people missing out on gear that they needed to people who don't.

Oh I'm not saying the new system is good--it's ♥♥♥♥ and I can't figure out the logic behind it for the life of me--but I'm saying the old system was just as easily abused.

[Elliebird]

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by Elenwei:

It's not that it couldn't happen, it's that the chances of it happening were much, much smaller and infrequent than what is happening now. Instead of competition between one or two people, its potentially the whole party. The system in place before, while not perfect as you just described, was in place specifically to avoid people missing out on gear that they needed to people who don't.

Oh I'm not saying the new system is good--it's ♥♥♥♥ and I can't figure out the logic behind it for the life of me--but I'm saying the old system was just as easily abused.

Oh, don't worry! I understand that you don't agree with it. ^^ My point was that it actually wasn't as easily abused though. It was still abused... just not nearly to the degree that it is now.

[Aidenel]

tbh I've seen more bots in WoW than in this, sure I stumble upon them here from time to time, but monsters spawn so damn quick, and ressources are pretty much client side instead of server side, so I pay them no mind (except when I take a high level class, kill every enemy near one of their teleportation points and laugh at them when they just teleport over and stare at a bush for 5 seconds).

[Taran Tatsuuchi]

SE regularly makes blog posts noting all the banned accounts for stuff such as this...
# of accounts for RMT activity...
Edit: Most recent one - https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/5f515a44ade5b963cca27e363fe24f66d887125a

These specific types of bots are just something that can't be completely eradicated.
They're created faster than they can be removed.
It's all automated on the RMT side.


That said, these bots are also not important in the fight against RMT as they're so easily replaced.
The ones a developer wants to catch are the ones holding the currney they want to sell to get rid of it and actually hamper the RMT.

[lumina]

So you are going back to an mmo that has a much bigger problem with bots? Lol... whiners rarely make sense.

[Jupp]

Originally posted by Gitz:

Thought i would try the free trial and see what this game was all about. Not even 15 min into the game i see speed hacking bots all moving together. It was clear they were bots with random names and the way they moved together.

Not a good first impression. I think i'll go back to ESO.

You know there are also BOTs in ESO, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEJYxU1Fs9w

[Arctic Kyros]

SE takes a hard stand against boting an gold sellers, i think bots are more active on low pop servers an off peak times due to players not reporting them. there is a bounty system in place if your the first to report a gold seller and they get banned i got it a few times.

Not sure if that is still a thing or not it was in place way before HW came out

[Ruse]

You are aware every MMO on the market has bots. Including ESO. Don't trash a game based on one bad experience that doesn't affect you.

[Arctic Kyros]

Originally posted by Theresa Barkskin:

You are aware every MMO on the market has bots. Including ESO. Don't trash a game based on one bad experience that doesn't affect you.

ya dont think i have ever seen an MMO that doesnt have any for of bots or goldsellers.

[c0ndu]

Bots don't even affect anything. They're only used for advertising gil selling sites. Gill is also pretty ez to make and u dont need much in this game.

[Arctic Kyros]

Originally posted by c0ndu:

Bots don't even affect anything. They're only used for advertising gil selling sites. Gill is also pretty ez to make and u dont need much in this game.

Bots are used to advertise AND farm gil an items for gold sellers to make gil to sell. they do hurt the games econ in the long run

[lumina]

Originally posted by Arctic Kyros:

Originally posted by c0ndu:

Bots don't even affect anything. They're only used for advertising gil selling sites. Gill is also pretty ez to make and u dont need much in this game.

Bots are used to advertise AND farm gil an items for gold sellers to make gil to sell. they do hurt the games econ in the long run

It doesn't seem to be hurting things like market prices or inflation. I was actually surprised at how well these things have been kept under control here. I just came back from a three year break, and it looks like prices really haven't changed on the markets. They are slightly higher for buying endgame food and such, but not much.

In other mmos, if I take a multi year break, I come back and am broke just from market inflation. Here, my gil is just as good as it was when I left.

[Arctic Kyros]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by Arctic Kyros:

Bots are used to advertise AND farm gil an items for gold sellers to make gil to sell. they do hurt the games econ in the long run

It doesn't seem to be hurting things like market prices or inflation. I was actually surprised at how well these things have been kept under control here. I just came back from a three year break, and it looks like prices really haven't changed on the markets. They are slightly higher for buying endgame food and such, but not much.

In other mmos, if I take a multi year break, I come back and am broke just from market inflation. Here, my gil is just as good as it was when I left.

Depends on your server rly, new servers if the gold sellers get an early grip on some items they controll the forever, early in FF14 they owned the appaco down an egg market with 10+ bots 24/7 killing the mobs but it has soon changed as SE takes a good care an stand on gold sellers more so than some other games.

[Taran Tatsuuchi]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by Arctic Kyros:

Bots are used to advertise AND farm gil an items for gold sellers to make gil to sell. they do hurt the games econ in the long run

It doesn't seem to be hurting things like market prices or inflation. I was actually surprised at how well these things have been kept under control here. I just came back from a three year break, and it looks like prices really haven't changed on the markets. They are slightly higher for buying endgame food and such, but not much.

In other mmos, if I take a multi year break, I come back and am broke just from market inflation. Here, my gil is just as good as it was when I left.

Originally posted by Arctic Kyros:

Originally posted by lumina:

It doesn't seem to be hurting things like market prices or inflation. I was actually surprised at how well these things have been kept under control here. I just came back from a three year break, and it looks like prices really haven't changed on the markets. They are slightly higher for buying endgame food and such, but not much.

In other mmos, if I take a multi year break, I come back and am broke just from market inflation. Here, my gil is just as good as it was when I left.

Depends on your server rly, new servers if the gold sellers get an early grip on some items they controll the forever, early in FF14 they owned the appaco down an egg market with 10+ bots 24/7 killing the mobs but it has soon changed as SE takes a good care an stand on gold sellers more so than some other games.

Balmung, for instance, has always been so full of people it was difficult foe nots to be made due to restrictions.

It's even been completely locked down for a while so no more characters can be made on it.


I believe it has one of the markets with the cheapest items.

[RopeDrink]

Multiboxing has been a thing since forever. If this is a dicentive for you then good luck finding an MMORPG where it doesn't exist - go back to ESO and enjoy the fact they're also there too. There's a difference between a speedhack and a person buying multiple account whilst being able to control them all with one controller.

Sad part is, most companies don't mind multiboxing as it involves the purchase of multiple games - the only shady part is controlling all of them simultaneously.

I've seen about two multiboxers in FFXIV across 3k hours of gameplay, compared to seeing dozens of them in WoW and all other MMORPGs in the space of a few weeks.

you will be rolling against the entire group more or less.

Great for older content -- if I end up getting X ancient raid as part of raid roulette, now people can actually have a shot at desirable glamour. As for recent/relevant content, it's one loot-item per week, so no, you won't be rolling against the entire raid because the entire raid will not all be wasting that one shot at loot on things they genuinely don't need for a class.