Do people really get punished for vote kick abuse?

[✚ Mariel ✚]

A group kicked me from MS roullette praetorium at like 3:40pm with no warning, made me kinda salty so I checked and found out that vote kick is punishable, according to the website. So I made a report but I'm wondering, do they actually punish players for vote kick abuse or do they always get away with it? Also how likely is it for this to happen?

I think the guy who started the vote kick was this one guy who was upset about missing an elevator I activated, he was always really lagging behind and the dungeon is easy so I started the elevator and he was whinging about it for the whole dungeon. I told him to just wait by the doors to the next level for us to come back with the magitek armors but he kept on complaining and demanding a response

If this never gets punished I'll never click elevators or doors or anything just to avoid the risk of this in future, and let other people take the risk. But if it's rare or players who do this do get punished I'll just keep playing normally and ignore those people XD

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Yeah probably. I guess if it happens again I'll have to keep my head down and not touch anything, if players like that have free reign to do as they please, but hopefully it was just a one off thing

[lumina]

Only if they can see a patern of abuse, I'm sure. As for that situatioj, you were the one in the wrong. Why would they punish him? The others clearly agreed with my statment.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Should I wait before using elevators even if someone is taking absolutely ages? It's only MS roullette after all, everyone rushes it. Even those people who clicked vote were rushing past the mobs and leaving that guy to die, he was whinging over that too, and I wasnt even the first person to reach the teleporters

[Oberon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kiri:

Should I wait before using elevators even if someone is taking absolutely ages? It's only MS roullette after all, everyone rushes it. Even those people who clicked vote were rushing past the mobs and leaving that guy to die, he was whinging over that too, and I wasnt even the first person to reach the teleporters

Well that depends, how long did you actually wait for him?

[✚ Mariel ✚]

I didn't count. I just know he was lagging the entire time and we didn't really need him to finish, we were coming back around with the magitek armors in any case, and it's standard practice to rush praetorium

[✚ Mariel ✚]

I assume they picked harassment but I don't know

[Oberon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kiri:

I didn't count. I just know he was lagging the entire time and we didn't really need him to finish, we were coming back around with the magitek armors in any case, and it's standard practice to rush praetorium

Okay see this is where it starts to fall apart. You know he was "lagging behind" but seem to have forgotten how far behind. Could have been he'd be on the elevator in 20 minutes, or it could have been he'd have been there in two seconds, we don't know--or you do but you've left that detail out.

You've also forgotten one extremely important detail: One person cannot kick from a group. In an 8-man party, it takes one person to initiate the kick, and a minimum of three other people to agree to it. So three other people agreed that what you did was BS enough to warrant kicking, and I have a tough time believing it was just not wanting to wait a minute.

These threads happen all the time. Person calls foul, only tells half the story, and turns out to be wrong every. Single. Time.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

I can't prove that what I'm saying is true. You can believe I am lying if you like, your approval isn't really required I just wanted to know how likely people are to be kicked for vote kick abuse and the rest was just laying down the context of the question.

I've had a few raids in World of Warcraft where someone initates a vote kick and I considered clicking yes without knowing what they had done, since I assumed they probably had done something or they wouldn't be initiating a vote, though in the end I erred on the side of not clicking to dismiss unless I've seen someone doing something. There's the possibility that a few of the players were from the same guild also. But I really don't know why they did what they did, only that it was in violation of the rules, and completely unwarranted

[Oberon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kiri:

I can't prove that what I'm saying is true.

Yes, I know, I just pointed out that you left out critical details.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kiri:

You can believe I am lying if you like, your approval isn't really required I just wanted to know how likely people are to be kicked for vote kick abuse and the rest was just laying down the context of the question.

It depends on whether or not the GMs discover what really happened. But remember, it's at least four people who kicked you, not one. Chances are, nothing is going to happen.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kiri:

But I really don't know why they did what they did, only that it was in violation of the rules, and completely unwarranted

So you say. But I'll tell you this, this is going exactly the same way as every other thread where someone was complaining about being kicked, and in all those other cases the kick was totally justified.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

If that's the case I can't blame you for being suspicious. However, that doesn't mean I'm lying either. For what it's worth, I told the full truth and didn't lie, I just want to know how often this sort of thing happens and if I should be careful, if frivolous vote kicking really is a thing, I'll just not touch anything to eliminate the risk

[Oberon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shirayuki Z:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kiri:

I assume they picked harassment but I don't know

I need to do 20 reports per day then if this is harassment.

Well knowing you...

[SalemK]

honestly, there's no right or wrong in this kind of situation.

on one side you got the lagging guy, who has bad connection or just a weak machine and wants to enjoy the game

on the other side you also want to enjoy the game, and it is old content to you and the fact that SE doesnt let you skip msq dungeon's cutscenes anymore doesnt help and you say you had the intention of cleaning part of it and coming back for him.

so, as it is a complicated matter and both sides had their own stories, I do not think SE gm staff can actually do nothing about this matter.

I do think that, it is a game, and everyone should be able to enjoy it, and some mechanics / connection issues make it hard, so everyone should be patient and cope with each other's issues and try to adapt and make it good experience for everyone. The lag guy should understand that lag its his own issue as you AND the party could've wait for him, but they didnt, and they vote kick you out as well....

so, long post short, in your case, dont think they can actualy do anything, but I cant blame you or the guy for this kind of situation.

Just, be patient and understand this kind of situation is very situational and it is unusual, and try to learn and adapt for the next time it happens

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SalemK:

on the other side you also want to enjoy the game, and it is old content to you and the fact that SE doesnt let you skip msq dungeon's cutscenes anymore doesnt help and you say you had the intention of cleaning part of it and coming back for him.

Well the dungeon sort of loops around, so he could've walked back to where the entrance to the lower level is and we would've arrived with the magitek armor. I get he was upset to be left behind, but he was the one constantly complaining and being obnoxious, while I calmly explained myself and gave him advice, and then got kicked. Whether anyone thinks I deserved it or not, it's still against the rules since I wasn't harassing anyone, and IMO really unwarranted, I wouldn't do that to someone unless they were giving me some pretty harsh verbal abuse

I'll see if it happens again and if it does I'll just never touch anything that'll move the dungeon along.