Jeez, What a missed opportunity only making this MMO for nolifers, Unemployed and the retired.

[Fear no evil]

The story is the only semi passable thing about the game, The rest especially leveling is a cynical grind to get you to pay for more months.

Wow, Boost to 110 £49.99/$80 leaves you with 10 levels to go.
FFXiV, Boost to level 70 for £18.99/$30 (Per Job) and then £18.99/$30 for quest (Story) skip with again 10 to go.

In Wow, You`ll do an hour to a level, So about 8-10 hrs for the push to level cap while Final Fantasy Perhaps 5% of a level per hour so 20 hours per level and it ramps up severely at 76 so you`ll be done leveling in perhaps 200hours as a purely solo player in each of the two leading MMO`s.

FFXiV really needs to make the TTK alot shorter, One combo cycle would be fair enough for each class to down a trash mob, Not the 4 full rotations it takes right now for people in poor or boosted Gear which is essentially trash when you step into the level 70 areas.

This MMO is completely designed for only the dedicated, perhaps they should start selling boosts that scale you to 80 while not offering the same for the story skip so everyday people could play and enjoy the story of Shadowbringers more like an interactive movie than the soul destroying "You will treat this as a job and pay us for the honour" or piss off from our precious game the grind promotes right now.

[Fear no evil]

Początkowo opublikowane przez moiraío:

FF14 is a play-to-win NOT a pay-to-win like Perfect World and other p2w mmo's. The whole point of this game is learning and growing as the "Warrior of Light/Darkness." Part of that is experiencing the dungeons, trials and quests that are tied intricately into the story. The best gear, mounts, glamour and weapons in the game must be earned by players & can not be purchased for $$$.

That's just one of the amazing things of this game. If players are struggling leveling, then they need to look for a good FC (guild) or use Party Finder to connect with mentors/experienced players that help guide them into levelling faster. I'm a part time player and I'm still going from 70-80 in about 2 days-and it's because I play wither other players on this-God forbid I mention it-Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Even if you're playing solo, it's still not nearly as painful as BDO's horrendeous grind that requires you to run back and forth across the map with out fast travel.

The minute Squaresoft put boosters into the game they negated your argument, You can pay to miss out 90% of the boring old content with money, Now all they need to do is cut that pesky 10% thats left and do it properly.

[dannyj147]

Never understood why people use skips in an mmo. Shouldn't they just stick to single player games.

[Remedy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jeppe:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mischief:

Wow isn`t better, In lots of ways it a damn sight worse but at least Blizzard respect their fan base to not waste their time with the least fun or attractive part of the game which is leveling by not artificially expanding the time needed to level.

Leveling is the only fun part of wow atm tho.

what? Levelling in wow? fun? What kind of a wicked creature pervert art thou?

[Jeppe]

Początkowo opublikowane przez EU.GaSeR:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jeppe:

Leveling is the only fun part of wow atm tho.

what? Levelling in wow? fun? What kind of a wicked creature pervert art thou?

Fun is probably not the right word. But leveling and learning to play new classes is a lot better than the current end game anyway. Because grinding mythic+ just to get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by RNG is fun...
If I would want RNG on my loot I would play Diablo 3.

[Remedy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jeppe:

Początkowo opublikowane przez EU.GaSeR:

what? Levelling in wow? fun? What kind of a wicked creature pervert art thou?

Fun is probably not the right word. But leveling and learning to play new classes is a lot better than the current end game anyway. Because grinding mythic+ just to get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by RNG is fun..

Well, in that way, yeah. Learning to play a new class/spec is indeed the most interesting thing you can do in WoW now. Although being totally honest the most fun thing me and my guild did in wow last year was unsubscribing.

[SecretPotato]

Początkowo opublikowane przez dannyj147:

Never understood why people use skips in an mmo. Shouldn't they just stick to single player games.

As for this game I can understand due to this being an RPG and people have or want to make alts and don't want to MSQ again.

[Jade Merrydown]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

[Mephistopheles]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mischief:

The story is the only semi passable thing about the game, The rest especially leveling is a cynical grind to get you to pay for more months.

Wow, Boost to 110 £49.99/$80 leaves you with 10 levels to go.
FFXiV, Boost to level 70 for £18.99/$30 (Per Job) and then £18.99/$30 for quest (Story) skip with again 10 to go.

In Wow, You`ll do an hour to a level, So about 8-10 hrs for the push to level cap while Final Fantasy Perhaps 5% of a level per hour so 20 hours per level and it ramps up severely at 76 so you`ll be done leveling in perhaps 200hours as a purely solo player in each of the two leading MMO`s.

FFXiV really needs to make the TTK alot shorter, One combo cycle would be fair enough for each class to down a trash mob, Not the 4 full rotations it takes right now for people in poor or boosted Gear which is essentially trash when you step into the level 70 areas.

This MMO is completely designed for only the dedicated, perhaps they should start selling boosts that scale you to 80 while not offering the same for the story skip so everyday people could play and enjoy the story of Shadowbringers more like an interactive movie than the soul destroying "You will treat this as a job and pay us for the honour" or ♥♥♥♥ off from our precious game the grind promotes right now.

So I’ve started characters over and over at the moment I’ve got one to 51, 30 and 42.
And I’ll ever done is just the RR story and I’ve enjoyed just that of the game.
I work scattered work weeks where some weeks I’m doing nights to early morning shifts and I’ve managed to get levels no problem.
Sounds like you want to be spoon fed the option to skip everything in the game to get to the end of the new content.
Why not enjoy everything you can do in each expansion and go at your own pace?
You ain’t sonic, don’t gotta go fast.
Just take a deep breath and either enjoy the game for it is or don’t but just let it go then instead. don’t sit on the forums moaning about it especially on the steam forums where not a single square member will see this.
If any one spends money on the level boosts why even play this game, I thought mmos were all about grinding and working for the things to earn?!

[miqz]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez kuraku:

PREACH

Wow isn`t better, In lots of ways it a damn sight worse but at least Blizzard respect their fan base to not waste their time with the least fun or attractive part of the game which is leveling by not artificially expanding the time needed to level.

You're clearly playing the wrong game if you think that doing the msq is the "worst" part of the game

[Splat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mischief:

Początkowo opublikowane przez moiraío:

FF14 is a play-to-win NOT a pay-to-win like Perfect World and other p2w mmo's. The whole point of this game is learning and growing as the "Warrior of Light/Darkness." Part of that is experiencing the dungeons, trials and quests that are tied intricately into the story. The best gear, mounts, glamour and weapons in the game must be earned by players & can not be purchased for $$$.

That's just one of the amazing things of this game. If players are struggling leveling, then they need to look for a good FC (guild) or use Party Finder to connect with mentors/experienced players that help guide them into levelling faster. I'm a part time player and I'm still going from 70-80 in about 2 days-and it's because I play wither other players on this-God forbid I mention it-Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Even if you're playing solo, it's still not nearly as painful as BDO's horrendeous grind that requires you to run back and forth across the map with out fast travel.

The minute Squaresoft put boosters into the game they negated your argument, You can pay to miss out 90% of the boring old content with money, Now all they need to do is cut that pesky 10% thats left and do it properly.

How many hours have you put into FF14?

[Jade Merrydown]

This games focus IS it's story, if you don't like that then you're on the wrong game, and calling the leveling a grind is laughable, On launch my boyfriend and I got from 60-70 on the newest classes in one day, so don't be spreading miss information.

The 70-80 leveling is also very smooth, and if you skip the Cut scenes (not sure why) it apprently doesn't even take that long a day or two at most, so calling this game a grind is just stupid.

[Fear no evil]

Początkowo opublikowane przez miqz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mischief:

Wow isn`t better, In lots of ways it a damn sight worse but at least Blizzard respect their fan base to not waste their time with the least fun or attractive part of the game which is leveling by not artificially expanding the time needed to level.

You're clearly playing the wrong game if you think that doing the msq is the "worst" part of the game

Really dude come on, Go watch some podcasts you`ll see the story is being cut to ribbons by alot of ardent fans, Including guys like Scottzone, delmontyb and worktogame who are all though scott more recently really positive fans of FFXiV but even these guys who love how the game has developed in their latest podcast shot down the story as being poor to very poor. MrHappy also admitted to skipping story cut scenes to just get on with leveling so it`s far from perfect.

Splat`s
How many hours have you put into FF14?

I bought the FFXiv, Collectors edition sans faux leather wrapped mug and map... About 400 hrs, then RR collectors probably close to the same maybe alittle more and maybe 50-80hrs into each expansion Just because I would like the leveling changed dosen`t mean I don`t play the game. Perhaps it`s not having the free hours as I did years ago to play but I still believe they could have done a better job making it more a game for the west.

Oh and one more point, FFXiV is actually a niche game in Japan, It`s not widely played, Final fantasy as a franchise is huge there but this game isn`t.

[Splat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez dannyj147:

Never understood why people use skips in an mmo. Shouldn't they just stick to single player games.

We live in a society that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and moans about everything, for example in video games like MMORPG's, we ♥♥♥♥♥ about being way too casual or grindy, we are never happy with what we have and all this clouds the fact that these guys at SE, knowing how poorly the game was received at it's initial launch back in 2010, could have easily pull the plug and move to other projects but they managed to turn it around patch the live version and backstage rebuild a game from scratch because they believed in that path and now we are in the 3rd expansion which has elevated the game to new and great heights, it's successful, it has a community that loves the game and alot of critics and haters as well, if you go around Steam you will see many posts like this mainly around the time of launch of the new expansion because the game keeps raising the bar with each expansion pack at it's in a great place right now...i guess that to some competition out there devs and players alike this success that FF14 is getting must pinch a little...even if it is a little pinch it means something.

[VanGoghComplex]

As a father of two very young children, employed full time+, have other hobbies & social life etc, OP is wrong in the strongest way.

This game is very accessible, designed to be enjoyed by people with any amount of time available, and designed well. I can play a couple hours most nights (but not all) and it's a very fun game.

OP is basically crying that the buyable cheat codes don't finish the entire game for you. OP, just light $25 on fire and tell everyone you've 100%ed the game - it'll be the same effect.

[Splat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mischief:

Początkowo opublikowane przez miqz:

You're clearly playing the wrong game if you think that doing the msq is the "worst" part of the game

Really dude come on, Go watch some podcasts you`ll see the story is being cut to ribbons by alot ardent fans, Including guys from Scottzone, delmontyb and worktogame who are all though scott more recently really positive fans of FFXiV but even these guys who love how the game has developed in their latest podcast shot down the story as being poor to very poor. MrHappy also admitted to skipping story cut scenes to just get on with leveling so it`s far from perfect.

I enjoy the story but yeah i know i'm not one of those youtube/twitch guys...