More people on store mounts than ingame mounts

[meeesj]

While lvling in shadowbringers the last couple of days ive noticed just as many or more people on storemounts than earnable ingame mounts. Its beyond depressing. really struggling here to comprehend why so many people are completly fine with handing over even more money for all this stupid pointless cashshop garbage in a game they are already paying a box cost and monthly sub to play. All these braindead idiots showing of their storemounts jerking eachother of absolutely ecstatic about getting fleeced.

To me it is perfectly reasonable to expect everything to be included in the box or in the sub. Its just about having standards really. All you guys would go nuts if netflix or spotify suddenly started charging for movies or music outside of the sub you already pay.

But i feel hopeless. Becuase they are simply not enough people that complain. For every gamer with standards and a brain there are 10 people buying mounts and other cashshop garbage. And as usual all the fanboys and corporate drones will fly in here crying spewing the same pathetic arguments they always do when faced with reality.

And the cycle continues. Everyone knows the drill by now. Passionate gamers like me come on forums complaining about the sad state of gaming. Fanboys and corporate drones comes to the rescue defending these companies. Meanwhile gaming publishers slowly but surely introduce more predatory monetization schemes and gaming goes further down the drain.

[galacticcorgi]

I wasn't aware cosmetic items, that are purely cosmetic, were predatory. But we get it: you can't get them. You want them, but you can't, so you pitch a fit. So you make it about standards and how amazing you are as a rEAL gAMERtm.

[Remedy]

It's a bait.

For real tho, about the microtransactions as whole: I do not care at all about them if
1. Developers focus on gameplay and game development first, keep their game fun and enjoyable, making a GAME, not a cash grab asset flip.
2. Not Pay to win (cosmetics only, strictly). Nothing that affects gameplay.

If both fit (so far I think it does for FFXIV, at least for me), I have no problem with anything else, because there is no issue. Someone wants and can support the development of the game i like with some extra money? Well sure why not lol, I like the game, I like the devs, I like people who support devs with extra money they could use, that is only natural. Makes project I like more profitable thus makes it more possible to see sequel/DLC/more projects alike. Win, Win, Win.

As to envy... I don't believe in god but it is obvious why envy is a sin.

P.s. Could you explain how exactly (and what) does change when in addition to various available ingame mounts an MTX one gets added? Perhaps your explanation will make me understand your position better.

[VanGoghComplex]

1.) None of the store bought anything offers an advantage in game over anything earnable.

2.) It's not your money they are wasting.

3.) More money in SE's pocket means a bigger budget for production of the game that you continue to enjoy.

Seriously. If you're wound up over this, you're the one doing the winding.

[meeesj]

Originally posted by EU.GaSeR:

It's a bait.

For real tho, about the microtransactions as whole: I do not care at all about them if
1. Developers focus on gameplay and game development first, keep their game fun and enjoyable, making a GAME, not a cash grab asset flip.
2. Not Pay to win (cosmetics only, strictly). Nothing that affects gameplay.

If both fit (so far I think it does for FFXIV, at least for me), I have no problem with anything else, because there is no issue. Someone wants and can support the development of the game i like with some extra money? Well sure why not lol, I like the game, I like the devs, I like people who support devs with extra money they could use, that is only natural. Makes project I like more profitable thus makes it more possible to see sequel/DLC/more projects alike. Win, Win, Win.

As to envy... I don't believe in god but it is obvious why envy is a sin.

P.s. Could you explain how exactly (and what) does change when in addition to various available ingame mounts an MTX one gets added? Perhaps your explanation will make me understand your position better.

Lets just call bait instead of trying to dismantle any of the points, so much easier.

But I will gladly answer your question. Every single person who buy a new mount, minion, emote, cape, whatever on the mogstation, are basically telling Square Enix: "I am completly fine with paying money for this, rather than do something fun or meaningful in the game to unlock it". And that will encourage SE to add even more items. They will add more, and more, and more because people keep buying. They start making the stuff in the game more and more trivial, while making the stuff in the cashshop more and more cool-looking.

I dont know if you have played since ARR launch. But let me tell you, the amount of crap they have added on the mogstation over the years is nothing else but appalling. The game since launch even went a couple of patches without the mogstation i think. How did we support the game without a cashshop you ask? We supported the game by buying it and paying the sub like it should be.

They started mogstation and added some simple reskins and stuff, and everyone jumped on it like a ♥♥♥♥♥ on the heel. And look where we are today. Mogstation filled to the brim with exclusive looking mounts and cosmetics, convenience items, retainer boost, level skip, story skip, companion app with a SECOND subscription and free 2 play currency. And it is all thanks to people like you that dont have a problem with it.

To put it simply if people like me were in the majority, and people like you in the minority, you would be able to unlock everything on the mogstation through gameplay.

[Mandodo]

Originally posted by VanGoghComplex:

1.) None of the store bought anything offers an advantage in game over anything earnable.

2.) It's not your money they are wasting.

3.) More money in SE's pocket means a bigger budget for production of the game that you continue to enjoy.

Seriously. If you're wound up over this, you're the one doing the winding.

This 100%

You all should be happy it's not pay to win.

I am not upset with the store or mounts/minions/costumes/dyes, etc.

This gives me a chance to support my developer.

That money they use for what was just released, Shadowbringers.

Dude is worried about what? A bike? 2 horses, and some other ugly ass mounts? Dyes you can get in game? Seasonal stuff you can get in game?

None of that will EVER matter. EVER.

I bought ONE item from the cash shop, well 2 but one was a christmas gift for a friend.

For me I bought Edda's Scyth, it was 3$

For my friend I got him a reindeer costume for 4$

In 5+ years since beta I have only ever spent 7$ total.

Some people will just complain to complain.

[Deckire]

I havne't really seen many Mogstation mounts.

I only seen my Friend's Cloud Bike,. I have only seen 2 Shop Mounts while I have been in Shadowbringers, that I am sure they have gotten from the Shop. 1 Fat Cat, and 1 Whale under Il Meg's Water..

I have not seen anything other then a lot of Grani Mounts that came with the Collector's package.

Unless you are angry about the Grani mount?

[|Pipe Dreams]

Go suck a lemon you baboon.

[Mandodo]

Originally posted by |Pipe Dreams ☕ #BASED:

Go suck a lemon you baboon.

This 100%

this dude get's it.

[Fallaner, the Writer Eternal]

Allow me to remind us all that 'Correlation does not imply causation'.

...The correlation in this case being...

>Increasing number of shop items

And

>Best expansion released for the game thus far, with best soundtrack thus far.

Also, I don't really see too many shop item mounts. Outfit pieces? Yes, in fact, I own some. Because glamour is 100% the actual end game. But mounts? Eeehhh... I don't see those too often, and i've personally never bought any. Any i have now that's gone into the shop, are things I got back when it was free. Like the floating heart chair that i'm pretty sure they put into the shop now.

So long as SE doesn't go the route of EA and others, and sticks to cosmetics and non-lootboxes, I will be just fine with them adding stuff to it so long as they keep the same ratio and standards they have so far (if not making them higher) with the game's usual content.

[galacticcorgi]

So wait, because you want a carbuncle mount, you're whining about the other mounts. Want to know my favorite mount?

It's a beast tribe mount. the Moogle one. The Cloudmallow Mount! That and the Regalia! Guess what! Neither of those were in the store.

[Fallaner, the Writer Eternal]

Originally posted by Anakha:

So wait, because you want a carbuncle mount, you're whining about the other mounts. Want to know my favorite mount?

It's a beast tribe mount. the Moogle one. The Cloudmallow Mount! That and the Regalia! Guess what! Neither of those were in the store.

My favorite mount is the Company Chocobo! It's not in the store. I get to customize it! Give it it's own unique name, get to let it run around with me, give it it's own set of armor with various pieces...

Second favorite is the Unicorn. The one you get from a Conjurer quest at level 30. Tied with the Black Chocobo. Because Haurchefant.

[meeesj]

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by Meeesj:

Take the carbuncle mounts as an example. They are arguably one of the cutest and coolest looking mounts in the game ATM. Square Enix will NEVER add a carbuncle mount in a different color earnable ingame because that will affect the sales of the carbuncles in the shop. If they by some miracle do it i will gladly eat my own words. This is one way even cosmetic microtransactions are bad for the game.

I agree with you that i could have worded myself much differently and not be insulting. Its just that im very passionate about gaming and i want good games. Microtransactions cosmetic or otherwise are objectively bad for games.

You have yet to explain how this is bad for the game. All you've done so far is imply that the real issue here is that you just want things for free.

that explicitly explain why it is bad for the game. We will now never get a ingame carbuncle mount or a mount that look similar to carbuncles, because square is making money selling them. Are you really implying that you would pay real money for this stuff rather than actually play the game you already pay for, earning this stuff ingame? wow, just wow. And gettings stuff for free? are you serious? im paying for the game, and then paying monthly for it.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Meeesj:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

You have yet to explain how this is bad for the game. All you've done so far is imply that the real issue here is that you just want things for free.

that explicitly explain why it is bad for the game. We will now never get a ingame carbuncle mount or a mount that look similar to carbuncles, because square is making money selling them. Are you really implying that you would pay real money for this stuff rather than actually play the game you already pay for, earning this stuff ingame? wow, just wow. And gettings stuff for free? are you serious? im paying for the game, and then paying monthly for it.

I don't actually want the carbuncle mount, so this is a non-issue for me. if you think the game is "worse" because one mount you want is on the cash shop, that definitely sounds like more of a "you" problem.

[Fallaner, the Writer Eternal]

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by Meeesj:

that explicitly explain why it is bad for the game. We will now never get a ingame carbuncle mount or a mount that look similar to carbuncles, because square is making money selling them. Are you really implying that you would pay real money for this stuff rather than actually play the game you already pay for, earning this stuff ingame? wow, just wow. And gettings stuff for free? are you serious? im paying for the game, and then paying monthly for it.

I don't actually want the carbuncle mount, so this is a non-issue for me.

I wanted it for a while... but then I saw that it is WAY too awkward looking for any species but a lala. Really breaks my interest in it. Too small for anyone bigger than a potato.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Fallaner:

Originally posted by Anakha:

So wait, because you want a carbuncle mount, you're whining about the other mounts. Want to know my favorite mount?

It's a beast tribe mount. the Moogle one. The Cloudmallow Mount! That and the Regalia! Guess what! Neither of those were in the store.

My favorite mount is the Company Chocobo! It's not in the store. I get to customize it! Give it it's own unique name, get to let it run around with me, give it it's own set of armor with various pieces...

Second favorite is the Unicorn. The one you get from a Conjurer quest at level 30. Tied with the Black Chocobo. Because Haurchefant.

I've actually been using the company chocobo more than any other mount lately. I've got something like 70 mounts, including a full complement of ponies and birds. And I never paid for a single one of them.