Scholar is so bad now

[Sylphie Fioré]

It was weak before but now it is even more so. I just don't see the point of touching it anymore, its such a weak healer overall. The other healers have much better healing potential and abilities as a class. So many times things could of gone much better if I was a different healer.

Will they do something about it or not? Because the class is so hard to love, at least before it wasn't as bad, bit more bare able. The base heal is only 400 potency, I rely on lustrate for bigger heals and that uses aetherflow which is limited to 3 per minute. The fairy's healing potential doesn't seem too great either which makes things worse, the abilities help a little but I'm always left trying to heal frantically and the weak heals can't always keep up.

[Tykero980]

If its like last expansion they will hotfix the weaker classes or nerf anything too op by the time that patch comes out like 2 weeks after launch day

[Deckire]

I feel that Scholar is actually really good. Or atleast from what my friend is saying.

The thing is they are not a Pure Heal Healer, like a White Mage, they are now a strong Shield Healer. They have the ability to give Shields that almost hit Maxp HP of character. This can in theory almost help against tank busters if done right.

So instead of doing strong Heals they make sure that the Tank doesn't Need that hard Heal.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von heroguanlet:

I feel that Scholar is actually really good. Or atleast from what my friend is saying.

The thing is they are not a Pure Heal Healer, like a White Mage, they are now a strong Shield Healer. They have the ability to give Shields that almost hit Maxp HP of character. This can in theory almost help against tank busters if done right.

So instead of doing strong Heals they make sure that the Tank doesn't Need that hard Heal.

The shield doesn't seem sufficient enough, or perhaps my groups this morning were just bad and strained me too much. I just couldn't keep up shields and healing just didn't seem enough.

[Angel_Fyre]

It isn't that bad.

People were freaking out about all the changes before they released. I main Astrologian, whose changes were far worse than yours as a Scholar. The changes are actually easy to adjust to and I like new Astrologian. Especially the new effects.

The healers all have their specific specialty, Astrologians are the buff masters, Scholars shield masters, and White Mage are raw healers and dps (they have triple the attack spells than both other healers)

I've played Scholar too (I guess my second main) since stormblood and they have powerful heals, you just need to know what to use and how to combo your heals


Not to mention they DO pay attention to the players feedback overall and monitor all the changes. They will be adjusting come first few patches

[Fallaner, the Writer Eternal]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Princess Belle:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von heroguanlet:

I feel that Scholar is actually really good. Or atleast from what my friend is saying.

The thing is they are not a Pure Heal Healer, like a White Mage, they are now a strong Shield Healer. They have the ability to give Shields that almost hit Maxp HP of character. This can in theory almost help against tank busters if done right.

So instead of doing strong Heals they make sure that the Tank doesn't Need that hard Heal.

The shield doesn't seem sufficient enough, or perhaps my groups this morning were just bad and strained me too much. I just couldn't keep up shields and healing just didn't seem enough.

It could just be due to Alphinaud being an NPC, but I've found that Alphinaud in the Trust system, being a Scholar with a different name, does a FANTASTIC job with the power of his shields. Each one pretty reliably let me as a DRK just ignore tank busters. Especially if I combined them with The Darkest Night, a 25% HP shield, as I'd sometimes have a big chunk of Alphinaud's shield left over, and If I happened to throw in Shadow Wall (30% less damage taken) or Rampart, in several situations even my Darkest Night didn't go down.

The Scholar has always been the shield healer. They employ the mindset of PREVENTING damage rather than healing through it, like the White Mage (which is my main). Admittedly, I've yet to seriously try out the Scholar since the new changes, having focused on the MSQ as a DRK, so I've only see SCHs when played by the Trust System and when played by other players.

The thing is that you don't keep UP the shield, so much. It's not really something you spam, as it's really MP draining (or at least it was in SB), you want to use it when it's down, yes, but you want to wait for it ACTUALLY go down, so that you get the most out of each individual shield, at least in my personal opinion, given the high cost of the spell. And Physick isn't THAT bad of a spell. It's only 50 potency less than Cure, which is really the heal you'll spam as a WHM, unless you need to quickly heal through a lot of damage.

[Arcyne]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Princess Belle:

It was weak before but now it is even more so. I just don't see the point of touching it anymore, its such a weak healer overall. The other healers have much better healing potential and abilities as a class. So many times things could of gone much better if I was a different healer.

Will they do something about it or not? Because the class is so hard to love, at least before it wasn't as bad, bit more bare able. The base heal is only 400 potency, I rely on lustrate for bigger heals and that uses aetherflow which is limited to 3 per minute. The fairy's healing potential doesn't seem too great either which makes things worse, the abilities help a little but I'm always left trying to heal frantically and the weak heals can't always keep up.

Scholar is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amazing now, I want some of whatever you're smoking.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Angel_Fyre:

It isn't that bad.

People were freaking out about all the changes before they released. I main Astrologian, whose changes were far worse than yours as a Scholar. The changes are actually easy to adjust to and I like new Astrologian. Especially the new effects.

The healers all have their specific specialty, Astrologians are the buff masters, Scholars shield masters, and White Mage are raw healers and dps (they have triple the attack spells than both other healers)

I've played Scholar too (I guess my second main) since stormblood and they have powerful heals, you just need to know what to use and how to combo your heals


Not to mention they DO pay attention to the players feedback overall and monitor all the changes. They will be adjusting come first few patches

I've tried all 3 healers and astro is perfectly fine, the card change was bleh but its still a great healing class, white mage is great too. Scholar was always the weakest healer, yes they shield well but astro can shield too and has better abilities. A shield that absorbs 125% of the health restored isn't as good as you all seem to think. But perhaps its because I've been unlucky and had reckless groups. With so many playing tanks atm its really a hit and miss with if they are decent or not, and there is only so much I can do. I have the gear, the levels and the abilities but there is no way to out heal/shield damage sometimes.

White mage is just the easiest healer to do good with, scholar is probably the hardest, its always been the weakest in my experience though. It's probably just bad luck with groups lately, maybe scholar isn't so bad but compared to the other 2 healers is rather crappy.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fallaner:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Princess Belle:

The shield doesn't seem sufficient enough, or perhaps my groups this morning were just bad and strained me too much. I just couldn't keep up shields and healing just didn't seem enough.

It could just be due to Alphinaud being an NPC, but I've found that Alphinaud in the Trust system, being a Scholar with a different name, does a FANTASTIC job with the power of his shields. Each one pretty reliably let me as a DRK just ignore tank busters. Especially if I combined them with The Darkest Night, a 25% HP shield, as I'd sometimes have a big chunk of Alphinaud's shield left over, and If I happened to throw in Shadow Wall (30% less damage taken) or Rampart, in several situations even my Darkest Night didn't go down.

The Scholar has always been the shield healer. They employ the mindset of PREVENTING damage rather than healing through it, like the White Mage (which is my main). Admittedly, I've yet to seriously try out the Scholar since the new changes, having focused on the MSQ as a DRK, so I've only see SCHs when played by the Trust System and when played by other players.

The thing is that you don't keep UP the shield, so much. It's not really something you spam, as it's really MP draining (or at least it was in SB), you want to use it when it's down, yes, but you want to wait for it ACTUALLY go down, so that you get the most out of each individual shield, at least in my personal opinion, given the high cost of the spell. And Physick isn't THAT bad of a spell. It's only 50 potency less than Cure, which is really the heal you'll spam as a WHM, unless you need to quickly heal through a lot of damage.

Issue is I tend to have to use cure 2 a lot because people are getting hurt so much, so physick is not enough in comparison. Regen and cure sometimes suffice but I often get people taking so much damage I need to use cure 2 to keep up, and my piety is really high so the only conclusion I could come to was that scholar was nerfed and weak as hell compared to the other 2 healers or I've been having really bad luck with groups. It does not help having tanks doing the whole crappy meta thing of pulling tons and expecting the healer to deal.

[Nico Yazawa]

Weak before? It was THE best healer for years.

[Bad_Conduct]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Princess Belle:

It was weak before but now it is even more so. I just don't see the point of touching it anymore, its such a weak healer overall. The other healers have much better healing potential and abilities as a class. So many times things could of gone much better if I was a different healer.

Will they do something about it or not? Because the class is so hard to love, at least before it wasn't as bad, bit more bare able. The base heal is only 400 potency, I rely on lustrate for bigger heals and that uses aetherflow which is limited to 3 per minute. The fairy's healing potential doesn't seem too great either which makes things worse, the abilities help a little but I'm always left trying to heal frantically and the weak heals can't always keep up.

AST isn't good at all.

[⑨ ChocolateMystia]

I mained SCH since the game released, it's been the best healer since. In its current state, its healing is still just as good, it's just not much fun at all due to all the lost DPS skills.

Something similar happened last expansion though, and with the first patch they reverted some of the worst changes for SCH and WAR, so I'll wait for this expansion to fix SCH and AST.

[Angel_Fyre]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad_Conduct:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Princess Belle:

It was weak before but now it is even more so. I just don't see the point of touching it anymore, its such a weak healer overall. The other healers have much better healing potential and abilities as a class. So many times things could of gone much better if I was a different healer.

Will they do something about it or not? Because the class is so hard to love, at least before it wasn't as bad, bit more bare able. The base heal is only 400 potency, I rely on lustrate for bigger heals and that uses aetherflow which is limited to 3 per minute. The fairy's healing potential doesn't seem too great either which makes things worse, the abilities help a little but I'm always left trying to heal frantically and the weak heals can't always keep up.

AST isn't good at all.

You must not play AST. Cuz it isn't as bad as NON main players make it out to be. As a casual AST, sure you might not like it, but coming from an AST omni healer main, it is not bad at all.

It isn't super great awesome amazing, but no class is.

[Beefydeluxe]

I wouldn't say SCH is a bad job to heal with. if anything I'd just say it has the highest skill floor because it's more about preventing damage than reacting to it

[Sylphie Fioré]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beefydeluxe:

I wouldn't say SCH is a bad job to heal with. if anything I'd just say it has the highest skill floor because it's more about preventing damage than reacting to it

The problem is people are taking way too much damage for the shield and healing to keep them alive, my aoe healing is alright but very costly and if multiple people keep getting hurt like usual then people will die eventually. And my aetherflow is limited, the heals I can do with that help but it runs out quickly. This is at level 60 content or lower mind you, although my scholar is 69 atm. I'm having issues with groups in 60 content or lower. I use everything at my disposal, do what a scholar should do but there are a good amount of situations where its better suited as a co healer rather than a main healer.

I'm very familiar with tanks pulling more than they should/need to, still its when they do this you can see how healers pan out in certain situations. I'm talking from a pure healing standpoint, forget dps, my heals are weaker than the other healers, and the shield spells help and are decent but no where near as amazing as people seem to be making them out to be, it's only 125% absorbtion.

Basic heal spell has 400 potency, now Astro and White mage have basic heals that can heal for400 and then 700 potency. Astro's aspected spells do better than scholars shield by default, it is however equal if you restore on critical health, as a base scholars shield is 125% absorb of health restored, 125% more if used on someone with critical health, Astro has 250% shields by default, and has more useful skills, not to mention dps buffs now. White mage has great healing in general and can easily heal full parties with their variety of skills. Scholar is very reliant on aetherflow for more healing potential, and for the shields its weaker than Astro, and its abilities overall are lacking. Having a fairy doesn't make up for it all, it doesn't make up the difference, in lower level content the fairy is decent at healing on its own, higher level content it doesn't do so much, and its skills help but often I am focusing healing but the healing output with and without the fairy just isn't enough.

I'm going to ignore the ones who say its the best healer, they mained it and all that junk. The game disproves that its the best healer, its the weakest of the 3 in terms of being a healer. The pet gimmick doesn't make up the difference to the other healers and the threshold for pressure is lower with scholar. And scholars aoe regen is alright but worse than Astro's and only a little better than medica 2.

[Bad_Conduct]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Angel_Fyre:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad_Conduct:

AST isn't good at all.

You must not play AST. Cuz it isn't as bad as NON main players make it out to be. As a casual AST, sure you might not like it, but coming from an AST omni healer main, it is not bad at all.

It isn't super great awesome amazing, but no class is.

Interesting, I've been maining AST since it came out. Must be a none main player....

It lacks utility, and the card system is a bit none-sensical. You may as well just auto assign cards to the best player at this point.