Priority list for The Balance?

[Shampoo]

From what I had gathered the list starts with:

1) Samurai
2) Black Mage
3) Red Mage (?)

Low Tier :

1) Dragoon
2) Summoner (?)

Ignore :

1) Bard
2) Mechanist

If I somehow manage to get stuck with a bard or worse, two bards, would it be wise to grant the power of the Balance to the tank?

I heard the tanks are pretty powerful themselves, especially the Warrior.

Or...

Maybe I could give myself the power, after all, my Malefic 3 is top tier, truly the power of the stars is in my hands...

Joking aside, what about monks, ninjas, etc...? Where do they reside in the priority list, and should I give it to the tank if I'm stuck with the Ignore Tier jobs?

[Moscini]

Ignore MCH's burst to your peril. But honestly just pay attention. Beyond just classes, if people aren't maximizing the potential of the class, a balance is wasted on them. See who's pulling highest aggro (NIN makes that a little tricky but you can usually tell if its a good NIN) and give it to them.

[Shampoo]

I don't play any job other than healers so what do I know about how well a DPS is doing?

But yeah, if the DPS is constantly pulling Aggro, it does tell me either the DPS is outperforming everyone or the Tank is just doing a really poor job at maintaining Aggro.

But most of the time the Tank has the Aggro thing in check so I really can't rely on that.

The reason why I ranked Mechanist along with Bard in Ignore Tier is because they apparently are very weak because they can move while using attacks (?).

I do not know anything about how the DPS classes work, and I do not want to assume I know everything about them when I do not.

[Kiana]

Depends on content, really. If you're just running leveling dungeons or trials, throw it on whoever, it really doesn't matter. Hard mode dungeons, it still doesn't matter much.

For EX trials and for raids, it depends on who is performing the best and who is set for the highest burst. The problem there is that it can be difficult to tell in party finder, because of a lack of communication. Plus it can be hard to analyze how the rest of the party is playing while still handling everything you need to deal with in a fight.

There's no job that should be automatically ignored (as Haku stated above, Machinist still has a pretty good burst, even if it's not as huge as it once was), but there are some 'safe bets.' Samurai and red mage have pretty user friendly rotations that can't be screwed up too badly, and samurai is all about high attack potency.

Though I do generally aim to have an AoE balance prepped for burst phases, unless it's clear right away which DPS is getting the gold star. Or if there's a mechanic that demands one really hard hitting DPS.

TL;DR: For best results, form a group with players you know have a strong grasp on their job, and who won't get upset over not getting it if someone else is better suited.

Otherwise, a mix of situational awareness and gambling. Possibly with prayer to whatever deity you prescribe to.

[Kiana]

Shirayuki474님이 먼저 게시:

Reply above me is total garbage.

You care about serious matters so you need serious solutions, solo balance should be given to highest DPS in the party and the only way to determine who it is is damage meter, neither communication or enmity, make sure you have it, otherwise your question is pointless. Maybe Samurai is strongest by itself but if player is bad, anybody can outdamage him, including MCH or your healer.

Oh, a damage meter, that thing that Square is very clear they don't want in the game? That thing that can get your account banned if you let anyone know you're using it? That thing?

Real great advice there, Shirayuki.

[Ruse]

Ignore MCH? They're literally in last place on all fronts. They're in serious need of fixing.

[Gabby]

Shirayuki474님이 먼저 게시:

You care about serious matters so you need serious solutions, solo balance should be given to highest DPS in the party and the only way to determine who it is is damage meter, neither communication or enmity, make sure you have it, otherwise your question is pointless. Maybe Samurai is strongest by itself but if player is bad, anybody can outdamage him, including MCH or your healer.

Well, no, you don't need a damage meters (and should seriously stop recommending it to people, useful or not it's against the TOS). There's some pretty easy things to do to make such calls. If you're in a dungeon it's simpler than a raid, but its' generally easy to pick out the better DPS with simply judgement. Are they using abilitie or juststanding there autoattacking? Are they constantly lagging behind? Are they often in danger of pulling threat or doing so? Are things generally dying faster when they're active? Heck are they active?

If you blindly give things out based on a list of priorities, you may still be giving it to a bad player. If you're giving it to an active player, you can be sure more damage is going to happen than was happening before. That's really all you need to know unless you're at the tippy top of the engame where every digit counts.

If not, don't worry so much.

[Kiana]

And if you are in the very top end, you're going to be with a group of people you know. Voice chat does wonders for party synergy.

Failing that, keeping an eye out for certain tells. For example, a monk just used all their oGCDs. Throwing them a Balance isn't going to be near as effective because of that. Unless it's an extended balance, so it'll still be up when their oGCDs are off cooldown. (Said cooldowns are 30s, 40s and 60s.)

If you see a monk activate Riddle of Fire, throw them an Arrow. They'll love you forever.

Why yes, I do main monk. Currently. Paladin and Red Mage are still vying for that position.

[Gabby]

It's always cute how you make bold, bald-faced lies as your arguments while insulting people and think that makes you believable. Your lack of intuition doesn't mean it's hit or miss for everyone else. Not a great argument.

You're aware that insisting that no one gets banned for using these things doesn't actually prevent bans from happening right? That it doesn't work that way?

As for claiming Yoshida acknowledges it... [citation needed].

Yes, they do not seek people using Parsers and ban them in a witch hunt. No, they do not overlook evidence of someone using a parser. This most often comes up when said person is using said parser specifically to goad, chide, or be a jerk towards others about their abilities. This does and has always led to a ban. Moreover, even casual mentions in chat of possessing one have led to bans.

When you're in a "speak no evil, hear no evil" situation, that doesn't mean what you're doing is okay, it means the authorities are simply overlooking you because it would be a headache to actually go after something they don't deem damaging enough.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/81077b50747f187d1d38fc40635bd14ffec4345f#_ga=1.76405333.1578120517.1389659550

Although we will continue to monitor game data to ensure that similar illegitimate practices are not being used, we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action.

Say whatever you want. They're officially banned.

[Moscini]

Shampoo님이 먼저 게시:

I don't play any job other than healers so what do I know about how well a DPS is doing?

But yeah, if the DPS is constantly pulling Aggro, it does tell me either the DPS is outperforming everyone or the Tank is just doing a really poor job at maintaining Aggro.

But most of the time the Tank has the Aggro thing in check so I really can't rely on that.

The reason why I ranked Mechanist along with Bard in Ignore Tier is because they apparently are very weak because they can move while using attacks (?).

I do not know anything about how the DPS classes work, and I do not want to assume I know everything about them when I do not.

So as far as the aggro list, it is rank, even if the tank is properly holding aggro. Look for the number two on the list. While it isn't a sure proof answer, seeing as you don't fully understand the dps classes at this time I think its as good an indication as any for you to start working with.

[Gabby]

It generally can indicate someone doing high damage, while a really good DPS might be smartly making use of aggro reducing abilities, it's not a given nor is it really required to be a good DPS if the DPS is confident their tank can hold the aggro. It's not a science, but it sure beats knowingly breaking game rules over a need to be "elite" when plenty of people do just fine without it.

[zfan121]

Shirayuki474님이 먼저 게시:

Theresa Barkskin님이 먼저 게시:

Ignore MCH? They're literally in last place on all fronts. They're in serious need of fixing.

Good MCH will easily outdamage bad Samurai (I agree that MCH needs fix though) this is why OP can't solve his question by simply making tiers.

The concept of 'tiers' in this game is utter garbage, outside pvp this is nowhere near what a fighting game would be, and even the pvp is a stretch to call it 'fighting'. It's not worth the energy to create a teir list in this game.

I've heard people say 'ast is best heals' but I got a half decent WHM at lvl 50, and I've seen Sch make sure that the tank didn't go under half health.

In short, there are no 'good' or 'bad' classes, Square is taking efforts to make each class equal. What makes a class 'good' or 'bad' is the player and how well they perform their job. (which is why I don't bother tanking.)

[la_nague]

whoever does most damage, you need a parser like ACT to see that.

[Gabby]

Shirayuki474님이 먼저 게시:

Even the most popular FF XIV players like Elysium do not bother hiding their meters on videos, so much for these ''official bans'', Yoshida just doesn't want to pick sides, he doesn't want to hurt casuals by making it oficial (it would increase abuse and salt), but he doesn't want to hurt good players by hunting meter users as well so he decided to do nothing/overlook, good or bad, it is personal decision.

I'm really gonna need a link or something showing he said that.

[Gabby]

Do you know what a citation is?

[Gabby]

So without paraphrasing for the benefit of the argument, he says they're not allowed, he says her personally understands people still want to use them, and simply cautions them not to get caught because they will get punished for it.

That's... not the same as that he's intentionally overlooking it or not going to make moves against anyone who uses them. It's "Please don't get caught so I don't then have to punish you."

So again... against the rules.