Where is the Samurai's Wakizashi (Daishō) ?

[Gisborne]

I mean being Japanese i'd have thought the devs would have really gone all out on the samurai, maybe even using the paired second blade for their special attack etc.

[Gabby]

Daisho is the combination of both the Katana and the Wakizashi, however there are a number of reasons they may not have included it. The primary one I can see is that the style of fighting that you use in this game is based off Iaijutsu (or Battoujutsu), which is a quick draw sword technique that did not actually use a Wakizashi, relying instead almost entirely on the strength of the draw between the Katana and it's sheath.

This style at times uses the sheath as a weapon as well, but Wakizashi were a status symbol, full possession of a daisho is significant in that it shows the status of a true born samurai. Since our characters are Eorzeans, in this world's culture we would never be Samurai in anything by name. It's possible SE intentionally left out the Wakizashi in order to not offense players from older families, who feel foreigners even touching a daisho is an offensive thing. (Almost all daishi are either gifted directly by a Shogun or passed down in a family lineage. It's a bit like someone touching your family jewels. Yes, pun intended.)

Battojutsi / Iajutsu is a combat / killing technique, meant to slay. Whereas the styles that most often encourporated the Wakizashi were defensive / protectitive styles. Since the SAM in FFXIV is not a Tank, this would be another reason to not include Wakizashi.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Daisho is the combination of both the Katana and the Wakizashi, however there are a number of reasons they may not have included it. The primary one I can see is that the style of fighting that you use in this game is based off Iaijutsu (or Battoujutsu), which is a quick draw sword technique that did not actually use a Wakizashi, relying instead almost entirely on the strength of the draw between the Katana and it's sheath.

This style at times uses the sheath as a weapon as well, but Wakizashi were a status symbol, full possession of a daisho is significant in that it shows the status of a true born samurai. Since our characters are Eorzeans, in this world's culture we would never be Samurai in anything by name. It's possible SE intentionally left out the Wakizashi in order to not offense players from older families, who feel foreigners even touching a daisho is an offensive thing. (Almost all daishi are either gifted directly by a Shogun or passed down in a family lineage. It's a bit like someone touching your family jewels. Yes, pun intended.)

Battojutsi / Iajutsu is a combat / killing technique, meant to slay. Whereas the styles that most often encourporated the Wakizashi were defensive / protectitive styles. Since the SAM in FFXIV is not a Tank, this would be another reason to not include Wakizashi.

Was the second sword also not a spare weapon and backup? Maybe there are times when a full length katana is too long for a crowded battle or using it to counter another weapon type? Samurai would try to disarm eachother would they not? So the second sword would be a life saver just as medival knights carried long daggers for when downed etc.

I dont think many older japanese traditional people play games lol but how would having it in a game even offend them? Its a game.

William Adams was an Englishman and first westerner to become a samurai. I wonder if he carried a pair.

[Gisborne]

Adams had a wife and children in England, but Ieyasu forbade the Englishman to leave Japan. He was presented with two swords representing the authority of a Samurai. The Shogun decreed that William Adams the pilot was dead and that Miura Anjin (三浦按針), a samurai, was born. According to the shogun, this action "freed" Adams to serve the Shogunate permanently, effectively making Adams' wife in England a widow. (Adams managed to send regular support payments to her after 1613 via the English and Dutch companies.) Adams also was given the title of hatamoto (bannerman), a high-prestige position as a direct retainer in the Shogun's court.[10]

[Gabby]

The Iaijutsu styles, as I mentioned before were killing techniques. There’s no sense to care for a backup weapon when you’re trained in an art where your enemy is supposed to be dead after the sword is drawn. So no, Iaijutsu did not really call for a wakizashi. I should also point out that the wakizashi only started to see use in the 16th century, it’s believed to be an evolution of a gutting knife too, which only had one purpose and it wasn’t to kill the Samurai’s opponent. Or be used in combat for that matter.

Like I said, there are a large number of reasons why they might not have chosen to employ the wakizashi.

The biggest simple being the fighting style.

[Bishop]

Samurai didn't use any tanto in other FF games either. In FF tactics they also tend to wield bunch of katanas to intentionally break them and release their spirits during battle, lol. This is a game after all, historical accuracy is not the biggest concern here.

[enu]

If this game would be historical accurate, samurais were the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of the nation. Scummy sellswords without honor.

[Gabby]

Originally posted by Yoona:

If this game would be historical accurate, samurais were the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of the nation. Scummy sellswords without honor.

Someone gets their education from Samurai Shamploo?

[enu]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Originally posted by Yoona:

If this game would be historical accurate, samurais were the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of the nation. Scummy sellswords without honor.

Someone gets their education from Samurai Shamploo?

What? Samurais were sellswords with no honor. I study history. Where do you take your information from? From the romanized version of the samurais in the 17th century?
Dont try to teach me with your weeb games and anime information on your profile. Get yourself educated.

The definition of "Samurai" today, is just a myth, and completely romanized.
Original samurais were archers, didnt even use swords until later dates.
Sorry to destroy your weeb fanfiction on samurais, they were scum.

Edit: Samurais didnt even fought with their katanas, they were only for decorative purposes, to show who they are, especially in Tokugawa Era.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Yoona:

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Someone gets their education from Samurai Shamploo?

What? Samurais were sellswords with no honor. I study history. Where do you take your information from? From the romanized version of the samurais in the 17th century?
Dont try to teach me with your weeb games and anime information on your profile. Get yourself educated.

The definition of "Samurai" today, is just a myth, and completely romanized.
Original samurais were archers, didnt even use swords until later dates.
Sorry to destroy your weeb fanfiction on samurais, they were scum.

Edit: Samurais didnt even fought with their katanas, they were only for decorative purposes, to show who they are, especially in Tokugawa Era.

Whow you're wrong in 99% of what you said ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... the arrogance you just displayed was Seppuku worthy.

And no most samurai faught with spears like most medieval soldiers etc because it was an easier to use and deadly weapon with more protection, the Katana would be used as a last resort if needed but seriously wtf? you think every peasant was called Samurai? take wiki for what it is but even that states "Samurai (侍) were the military nobility and officer caste of medieval and early-modern Japan."

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Yoona:

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Someone gets their education from Samurai Shamploo?

What? Samurais were sellswords with no honor. I study history. Where do you take your information from? From the romanized version of the samurais in the 17th century?
Dont try to teach me with your weeb games and anime information on your profile. Get yourself educated.

The definition of "Samurai" today, is just a myth, and completely romanized.
Original samurais were archers, didnt even use swords until later dates.
Sorry to destroy your weeb fanfiction on samurais, they were scum.

Edit: Samurais didnt even fought with their katanas, they were only for decorative purposes, to show who they are, especially in Tokugawa Era.

And then i check your profile... South Korean. No wonder you have such hatred for the Japanese. TAIWAN #1

[enu]

First Samurais used to be archers, not lancers.
Second you refer me to a wiki article which is also romanized. Take a step back and let someone talk who actually studied 1 whole year about the classical samurai, which is not even close what you believe in they actually were.
Third your racism is disgusting.
Fourth Samurais were scum in the eyes of the nation after the Tokugawa era.

Why wont you just step back here, unleash your racism somewhere else and let someone who has a master talk. Since your education stopped somewhere in the middle school, based on your racism and throwing of a wiki article. What a reliable resource.

Edit: You should invest less money into your computer but more into your education, you are free to ask me about books which are not romanized and will tell you everything about the classical samurai you need to know.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Yoona:

First Samurais used to be archers, not lancers.
Second you refer me to a wiki article which is also romanized. Take a step back and let someone talk who actually studied 1 whole year about the classical samurai, which is not even close what you believe in they actually were.
Third your racism is disgusting.
Fourth Samurais were scum in the eyes of the nation after the Tokugawa era.

Why wont you just step back here, unleash your racism somewhere else and let someone who has a master talk. Since your education stopped somewhere in the middle school, based on your racism and throwing of a wiki article. What a reliable resource.

Edit: You should invest less money into your computer but more into your education, you are free to ask me about books which are not romanized and will tell you everything about the classical samurai you need to know.

Whow you're soo far up your own A Ole. "I have a masters" "I studied for one year" Yea ok then. As for racism lol if you think that was racist then you're one sheltered little guy. You have a problem with the Japanese admit it and that's your racism. You hate how superior you think they are to yourself.

Also you can't know MUCH about history if you call a spearman a "LANCER" what videogame or 18th cent British war did you get that from? Spearman, Pikeman and Halberdier are footman, Lancer are Cavalry for a start. Guess i know more about history than you do. hmm tasty salt nom nom nom.

Can't wait to see what your next reply will be and how you look down on all those around you without a 1 YEAR High school history GCSE.

[Gabby]

Cute. Samurai did not turn into sell-swords until the end of their history, when the Tokugawa Shogunate fell and being a Samurai was outlawed by the new provisional government. (What we refer to today as the Diet.) For CENTURIES before that time the Samurai were the nobility structure of the Japanese. You literally could not be a Samurai without retaining your honor and oath of fealty to a Shogun, a governor who served the Emperor directly.

I’m sorry, but your supposed education in history is either made up or given to you by a propaganda department if you’re going to seriously sit here and try to write up Samurai as “honor-less sell swords” throughout Japanese history. You’re literally referring to what many of them became AFTER they were NO LONGER Samurai. BTW, the word for that is Rurouni, Ronin or Rojin. “Masterless Wanderer”.

As for weapons, the Samurai wielded just about everything in the book, down to flintlock rifles over history, but the Katana was a status symbol of the nobility which evolved over time since sword use became popular in Japan starting with the Jōkotō period. (Around 900 CE.) Gatana themselves weren’t developed until the Mongol invasions, but by around the 1300s, Japanese swords has evolved from the tachi to the katana. Regardless, they were difficult and expensive to make so they were objects only the nobility could commission. Blood status to this very day remains an actual thing, once noble families are in many cases still well off or have recovered from their fallen place over time by confirming to the New Democratic Parliament based government system.

In short: The claim that the Samurai were always Ronin is complete and utter nonsense.

[enu]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Yoona:

First Samurais used to be archers, not lancers.
Second you refer me to a wiki article which is also romanized. Take a step back and let someone talk who actually studied 1 whole year about the classical samurai, which is not even close what you believe in they actually were.
Third your racism is disgusting.
Fourth Samurais were scum in the eyes of the nation after the Tokugawa era.

Why wont you just step back here, unleash your racism somewhere else and let someone who has a master talk. Since your education stopped somewhere in the middle school, based on your racism and throwing of a wiki article. What a reliable resource.

Edit: You should invest less money into your computer but more into your education, you are free to ask me about books which are not romanized and will tell you everything about the classical samurai you need to know.

Whow you're soo far up your own A Ole. "I have a masters" "I studied for one year" Yea ok then. As for racism lol if you think that was racist then you're one sheltered little guy. You have a problem with the Japanese admit it and that's your racism. You hate how superior you think they are to yourself.

Also you can't know MUCH about history if you call a spearman a "LANCER" what videogame or 18th cent British war did you get that from? Spearman, Pikeman and Halberdier are footman, Lancer are Cavalry for a start. Guess i know more about history than you do. hmm tasty salt nom nom nom.

Can't wait to see what your next reply will be and how you look down on all those around you without a 1 YEAR High school history GCSE.

I said lancers because they WERE cavalry from the start. You nearly got a point but failed to read my last posts right. Heavily delusional. At least you tried, but did look like a complete tool.

Only salty tears i taste are from you, since you were aggressive from the start + racistic later on. Like i said, delusional.

I have no problems with japanese, neither do i with the romanized samurais or classical samurais. Why would i pick an age and a country which i hate, and study that specific thing 1 year. Doesnt even make sense.

Originally posted by Pair of Nice Slacks:

>First Samurais used to be archers,

They were also aristocrats at that point, with dislusions of warrior grandeur. Once they started fighting real wars with armor and proper numbers, it all went to spear.

This is all moot however seeing as we're discussing a fictional game, the devs can really do whatever they choose.

I know that we are discussing a game, and im absolutely fine with how they displayed them. Didnt say anything against it. Only thing bothers me that this display of samurais is the most accepted one which is not canon, and people want some fancy anime moves triple katana wakizashi attack, while saying that would be accurate.

[Gabby]

Your view on them isn’t remotely accurate either.