Way Too Many Button Presses......

[Bob]

OK so i played this game with a controller back in the day around launch, got to 50 got my ilvl to around 85 and it worked perfectly on a controller.... now tho, a couple years later i come back with no controller and a different class (drg) my question is how in the hell are you supposed to click that many skills and still have keybinds left for basic functions, wdf is this??? do people enjoy this convulated system? the level of dexterity required here is ludicrous, i would need 5 extra hands in order to be a good DRG. SE... Streamline maybe???? (inb4 git gud comments cos SE apparently agrees with me)

[Bob]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Originally posted by DeiTy93:

so you admit your arguemnt is based on "Git gud" typical elitist "Everything is fine you just suck" the game is convulated as all hell, square knows this hence the ability culling in stormblood, case closed.

Nope, that's a nice try but I'm afraid you don't win any points. You're attempting to wriggle out of your own lies now.

First of all, the Dragoon image you linked clearly shows that the total number of base abilities for Dragoon is 10 keys. (That rotation showns repeated use of abilities.) Even then they're conditional based on where you're standing. The extended rotations include abilities that you can easily keep off hotkey because you're only clicking them once every couple of minutes.

You're trying to argue on your personal experience instead of hard facts.

your point makes no sense, the base abilites is a 10 key rotation but this spikes to literally 25 skills, how does this help anything? i still gotta map 25 skills and be able to press them all. you still gotta press 25 different keys! whilst doing mechanics! this game was clealry optimised for controller.

[Gabby]

And again, you keep saying you need to press 25 keys but that's completely untrue and it shows you never bothered to read my initial reply that you answered with an image you also never bothered to fully read.

You do not need to map all 25 abilities to hotkeys. Keyboards are not controllers. Get out of the controller mentality. 15 of those abilities can be placed on hotbars and clicked when needed. Unless your name is Speedy and you live in Zootopia, you have more than enough time to drag your cursor over to those skills and hit them at the appropriate times.

Do you need me to stream a dungeon at level 60 so you can see and understand how this works? I can do it for any role as I never play controller.

[Bob]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

And again, you keep saying you need to press 25 keys but that's completely untrue and it shows you never bothered to read my initial reply that you answered with an image you also never bothered to fully read.

You do not need to map all 25 abilities to hotkeys. Keyboards are not controllers. Get out of the controller mentality. 15 of those abilities can be placed on hotbars and clicked when needed. Unless your name is Speedy and you live in Zootopia, you have more than enough time to drag your cursor over to those skills and hit them at the appropriate times.

Do you need me to stream a dungeon at level 60 so you can see and understand how this works? I can do it for any role as I never play controller.

My goal is to gauge the opinions of others/or see how they handle it, if i am coming off as salty or just a nab then sorry i guess, iam just frustrated at a game i want to play butt iam being held back by IMO a terrible control method. BDO has and will always have the best way to handle skills. combos of W,A,S,D,Q,F,E, Shift & Spacebar.

[Gabby]

Trust me in this: I've been playing MMOs like this on a keyboard for almost two decades. It's not a matter of the control method being terrible, it's about shifting your mindset to work with the control method. There's a reason a lot of seasoned MMO players prefer keyboard and mouse over a controller, even when playing the PS4 version of this game. It actually can and will work better than a controller ever could.

Isolate the keys you press constantly, there's usually no more than 8-10 of these, these all go on your primary hotbar. (Hotbar 1 is automapped to the number keys.)

Now further isolate, unless you have money hands, your primary rotation is usually at maximum 6 keys with 2-4 variables stacked on top of it. Map the most used / important keys to 1-6, probably in the order you'll press them too so you can glide your hand left to right. Map 7-10 to easy to reach buttons. In my case a button goes to Q and E right around the WASD I use to move and two more go to my middle mouse button and one of the side ones. I use a standard gaming mouse that has 3 additional buttons to map.

I recommend any ability that has a Area of Effect mapping select go to your middle button. That way your hand is already focused on the mouse when selecting the ability.

Everything else can go on bars right above the hotbar. Click them with your mouse. There's no reasonable argument not to do this because those abilities are mostly conditional / used on long cooldowns of 30 seconds or more.

[Gabby]

Yeah... BDO is an action MMO. It's really not going to play remotely the same and the need for control keys is an entirely different priority. This is kind of like comparing Final Fantasy 6 with Tales of the Abyss and acting like they play remotely similar.

[Bob]

Originally posted by Seraphna:

Trust me in this: I've been playing MMOs like this on a keyboard for almost two decades. It's not a matter of the control method being terrible, it's about shifting your mindset to work with the control method. There's a reason a lot of seasoned MMO players prefer keyboard and mouse over a controller, even when playing the PS4 version of this game. It actually can and will work better than a controller ever could.

Isolate the keys you press constantly, there's usually no more than 8-10 of these, these all go on your primary hotbar. (Hotbar 1 is automapped to the number keys.)

Now further isolate, unless you have money hands, your primary rotation is usually at maximum 6 keys with 2-4 variables stacked on top of it. Map the most used / important keys to 1-6, probably in the order you'll press them too so you can glide your hand left to right. Map 7-10 to easy to reach buttons. In my case a button goes to Q and E right around the WASD I use to move and two more go to my middle mouse button and one of the side ones. I use a standard gaming mouse that has 3 additional buttons to map.

I recommend any ability that has a Area of Effect mapping select go to your middle button. That way your hand is already focused on the mouse when selecting the ability.

Everything else can go on bars right above the hotbar. Click them with your mouse. There's no reasonable argument not to do this because those abilities are mostly conditional / used on long cooldowns of 30 seconds or more.

ok, thank you i did as you suggested and... it does feel alot better, I isolotaed all the long cooldowns and assigned them their own hotbar and used the mouse for them, i then split up the main rotation into 2 hotbars (i cant reliably go beyond numbers 1-4 i would need to train my muscle memory for 5-6) its 2 sets of 4 abilities, but i still have 4 mouse buttons and 4 Keys i can also use so i will optimise further. tbh i would of never thought using the mouse would be viable as you have to stop in place to do it. iam also only lvl 53 so i still got more skills to add x,x

[Thighs & Glasses]

http://imgur.com/a/xA7UZ this is what I'm working with. honestly pretty easy to use and I have room to start macroing

[Shiroe (cortana)]

well, i feel like i missed like the whole conversation, so i havent got much to say.
But yeah as for those jobs u will get new skills until lvl 60, usally every 2 lvls.. but what u can do is to go in potd solo at floor 50+ and look at the remaining skills u will get a bit later, look at what they do, where to put them and when to use them..

I always do this with a class im playing, sure it might not be the best way to actually learn the class but it can be helpful to check if u want to use or just check the skill out and already place it on the hotbar for future usage.

at lvl 54 u get a new skill called blood of the dragon or BotD which will further increase the usage of the class and its the new main dps buff (i think) but will alter rotation alot, if u think it was harder before, think again as it will be a bit harder now instead ^^






But of all classes i tried, i think actually ast or drk has most skills of all classes, for drk most of the skills aint needed for a good rotation for entimity generation, most of them is so called buffs with 60sec-3 min CD for dmg reduction, a few other skills has ofc shorter CDs but they are more for mana regen/small haste increase instead and 2 other skills dont even have a cd but they are so toggable skills, on/off whenever pressed....
so short explanation, lots of skills but like 90% of them isnt needed to bind to buttons and mouse is enough for them..

my main is drk now, but i have 2 sets of hotbars, 1 for tank buff/skills and 1 dps skills/buffs.
Sure drk is mainly a tank but depending on whatever u are a maintank or offtank it can be changed so...

[Shiroe (cortana)]

Originally posted by Shirayuki474:

You have the same rotations both for MT DRK and OT one. As MT you just need to do aggro combo at the beginning, grit off, then dps rotaton, power slash from time to time if needed.

I also don't think DRK and AST has the most skills, most of jobs has very similar amount of skills which is around 36 buttons. Black Mage has slightly less, Summoner slightly more.

its not exactly the same rotation for MT and OT or well mechanics of raid/dungeon, some of the skills are purely for ENT generation and a few others for pure dps...

Well about who has most skills wasnt exactly the mainpoint, just my own opinion of all classes i played so far..
i havent fully played SMN and BLM yet and dont plan tho as those classes was boring as hell, way to simple rotation.. and i havent even tried the other healers and will never do...

BML was like switching between umbral ice/fire with transpose most of the time, if u are familiar with arcane mage in wow ,i can compare it to that, simple and boring as hell.. transpose/umbral ice can be compared as evocation....
Sure doing high numbers in a short time might be fun but at the same time, a simple rotation are also the most boring most of the time.


now dont try to get it to srsly, but its just my own opinion and what i think.........

[Neiker]

Its a lot of buttoms, yes.

Its perfectly fine if you play with a keyboard, controller on the other hand, yes...you will stuggle a bit.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by DeiTy93:

https://imgur.com/p0CQEfA

That just overcomplicates it. I have my hotbar setup so I literally just go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 for my Dragoon rotation.

[dr187]

Maybe it's because your playing dragoon... And it has nothing to do with your keyboard.

[Asphe]

I use a similar scheme... for ALL my classes.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=895377152

In that image, I have a few things up that normally wouldn't be ^_^, it's not normally that cluttered.

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I never really have a problem putting all class skills on the hotbars. It's trying to put the most often-used keys within easy reach of the 'left', i.e. 1-6 & shift / ctrl / alt combos. Just takes getting used to, so CTRL+6 = Cure / Physick / Second Wind and so on or CTRL+= is Sword Oath or Blood for Blood so regardless of what class I choose... the same key tends to be mapped to similar abilities.

Or use a controller.

Else play a game like Skyforge [which uses the same keys over and over again like the OP wanted]. SF only uses 1-4, Q, E, R, T and CTRL & SHIFT to access over 20 things. This won't work for FFXIV unless you use scripts [i.e. repeatedly pressing '1' to do a PLD emnity combo] because of the GCD/CDs. It's like trying to adapt checkers to chess.

PS LMB+RMB = moves you forward... and since 2.x, movement inertia got removed... so I can do a 180 and move back solely using my mouse.

[Big Boom Boom]

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=MMO+mouse

Problem solved. Can't live without one any more.

[Neiker]

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by DeiTy93:

https://imgur.com/p0CQEfA

That just overcomplicates it. I have my hotbar setup so I literally just go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 for my Dragoon rotation.

You are a realy poor dragoon then...What if you lost any of your buffs or debuffs before you complete your rotation? What then? you wait in place withoud doing nothing until all your cd's are up and start it all over?

Also, dragoon has a prety big oppener if you count the first rotation on to it...And you just press 1-8? wtf man.