Is the Paladin Good?

[Coconuts]

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[Oberon]

Also, seriously, I said Alexander Savage was the hardest content in the game, and your response was "Nah, A8S is harder" as if A8S isn't part of Alexander Savage.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Kiana:

Shirayuki, maybe try to keep your barely coherent arguments to a single thread. You seem to be having difficulty keeping everything straight. Not mention that you're strawmanning really blatantly.

So before this turns into yet another fourteen page waste of time, I'm going to sign off and go do something worth the time.

Originally posted by RopeDrink:

Disability is unfair/unkind. Given the typing quality (possibly not native English)

I actually asked him about this in the last thread he did this in. He didn't directly state that English is his native language, but he did say there wasn't a misunderstanding.

It's either disabled, a non-native English speaker, or on drugs. A cross between two or more is also possible.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Shirayuki474:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

It's either disabled, a non-native English speaker, or on drugs. A cross between two or more is also possible.

Yes, keep abusing me more, the problem for you is it won't work because I'm enjoying it.

You enjoy being abused. Well there's something to share with your therapist.

[Coconuts]

So Much Fighting.
Just wanted to know. because im a conjurer and i saw that one of its sub classes was the Paladin, so i just researched some stuff, and saw that he is ''decent'', not great, but decent.

so i asked u fellas, about your opinion, like if People would take another tank over the Paladin. that was my fear.

[Kiana]

Originally posted by Zweihander:

So Much Fighting.
Just wanted to know. because im a conjurer and i saw that one of its sub classes was the Paladin, so i just researched some stuff, and saw that he is ''decent'', not great, but decent.

so i asked u fellas, about your opinion, like if People would take another tank over the Paladin. that was my fear.

With how in demand tanks are, people will take ANY tank, provided they're competently played.

But seriously, don't listen to Shirayuki. He doesn't live in the same reality as the rest of us.

[Neiker]

You want too play paladin? Go paladin.

By the time you are good enough and geared enough to go savage raids, paladin will alredy have received a rework, also you CAN clear everything as paladin, and you WILL find parties for everything as a tank as well. PLD is not a bad job, is just that DRK and WAR outshines it right now, but even that realy only matters on very end game content, and it should matter even less now with these raids receiving echo bonus.

[Neiker]

Originally posted by Shirayuki474:

Originally posted by Neiker:

You want too play paladin? Go paladin.



By the time you are good enough and geared enough to go savage raids, paladin will alredy have received a rework, also you CAN clear everything as paladin, and you WILL find parties for everything as a tank as well. PLD is not a bad job, is just that DRK and WAR outshines it right now, but even that realy only matters on very end game content, and it should matter even less now with raids receiving echo bonus.

Yes it is already known Paladin is getting rework but who knows how it will turn out. Everytime Square Enix touches one thing, another one is destroyed we have no idea how it will turn out in reallity so we can't judge anything until 4,0 release. I have big hopes for Paladin rework, new expansion is a perfect time for such things.

This is exactly what I meant, PLD can do everythibg but DRK and War can do everything better, yes it mostly matters on end game content but it is visible everywhere on any level. Which means he is not balanced because he doesn't have adventages to where he can shine, but again, still viable for casual content and casual raids savage or not.

I agree, but im more worried about they ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up another tank next time, instead of PLD again.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Zweihander:

So Much Fighting.
Just wanted to know. because im a conjurer and i saw that one of its sub classes was the Paladin, so i just researched some stuff, and saw that he is ''decent'', not great, but decent.

so i asked u fellas, about your opinion, like if People would take another tank over the Paladin. that was my fear.

As we've discussed, there's no content you can't clear as Paladin. All the classes are good, if you know how to play them right. Anyone who rejects you for playing a certain class isn't worth playing with anyway.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Shirayuki474:

Originally posted by Neiker:

You want too play paladin? Go paladin.



By the time you are good enough and geared enough to go savage raids, paladin will alredy have received a rework, also you CAN clear everything as paladin, and you WILL find parties for everything as a tank as well. PLD is not a bad job, is just that DRK and WAR outshines it right now, but even that realy only matters on very end game content, and it should matter even less now with raids receiving echo bonus.

Yes it is already known Paladin is getting rework but who knows how it will turn out. Everytime Square Enix touches one thing, another one is destroyed we have no idea how it will turn out in reallity so we can't judge anything until 4,0 release. I have big hopes for Paladin rework, new expansion is a perfect time for such things.

This is exactly what I meant, PLD can do everythibg but DRK and War can do everything better, yes it mostly matters on end game content but it is visible everywhere on any level. Which means he is not balanced because he doesn't have adventages to where he can shine, but again, still viable for casual content and casual raids savage or not.

Yes, "casual" raids like....uh...all 12 floors of Alexander Savage. Sure.

You don't even know what "casual" means, do you?

[Thighs & Glasses]

it holds threat with next to no issues and it doesn't fold like a cheap snack table.

yeah, PLD should be fine if that's what you want to play, OP.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Shirayuki474:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

As we've discussed, there's no content you can't clear as Paladin. All the classes are good, if you know how to play them right. Anyone who rejects you for playing a certain class isn't worth playing with anyway.

Well ideal worlds don't exists, even in games,especially ones where you are forced to play with others but keep dreaming.

Yeah, of course you'd think the real-world is non-existant.

[Kristen]

Hallowed Ground.
Overpowered.
The paladin isn't a wall.

It's as strong as that sticker on brooms and stuff that you can't actually tear off but you have to scrape it repeatedly for 3 hours just to have the glue and tiny shreds of the sticker left on it.

[Neiker]

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by Shirayuki474:

Yes it is already known Paladin is getting rework but who knows how it will turn out. Everytime Square Enix touches one thing, another one is destroyed we have no idea how it will turn out in reallity so we can't judge anything until 4,0 release. I have big hopes for Paladin rework, new expansion is a perfect time for such things.

This is exactly what I meant, PLD can do everythibg but DRK and War can do everything better, yes it mostly matters on end game content but it is visible everywhere on any level. Which means he is not balanced because he doesn't have adventages to where he can shine, but again, still viable for casual content and casual raids savage or not.

Yes, "casual" raids like....uh...all 12 floors of Alexander Savage. Sure.

You don't even know what "casual" means, do you?

Dude, there is a diference betwen casualy clearing A12S and trying to do it as fast as possible to beat a time record...i dont think YOU know what playing casualy means.

Its on those kind of raids that you will have a problem with a PLD..Same with monk and white mage. Its very doable with any class, but when you start wanting to realy push the limit and not only clear it, but clear it as fast as possible, thats when the unbalance between classes starts to show. And thats what 'hardcore linkshells' do. They want the best jobs to min/max it as much as possible and PLD is sadly underperforming in terms of damage compared to other tanks.

[Oberon]

Originally posted by Neiker:

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Yes, "casual" raids like....uh...all 12 floors of Alexander Savage. Sure.

You don't even know what "casual" means, do you?

Dude, there is a diference betwen casualy clearing A12S and trying to do it as fast as possible to beat a time record...i dont think YOU know what playing casualy means.

First off, who said A12S? I said all 12 floors.

Second, saying "Duh, yeah you cleared the hardest content in the game, but you didn't do it in .03 seconds so you're totally casual" is the definition of moving the goalposts.

[Neiker]

Originally posted by The Mayor of Murder Town:

Originally posted by Neiker:

Dude, there is a diference betwen casualy clearing A12S and trying to do it as fast as possible to beat a time record...i dont think YOU know what playing casualy means.

First off, who said A12S? I said all 12 floors.

Second, saying "Duh, yeah you cleared the hardest content in the game, but you didn't do it in .03 seconds so you're totally casual" is the definition of moving the goalposts.

Who cares wich floors? You missed the point. You can beat any Alex floor as PLD, yes.

When a content gets old..and people get better gear. yes...they tend to move their goal from 'beat it' to 'beat it fast'. Just like they tend to move their goeal from 'the first ones to beat the raid' to 'the ones that beat the raid faster'. Thats what hardcore raiders do on any game, is just how they compete with one another.

You ever heard of fflogs? If not, then you missed the whole point of the argument, since no one said PLD is useless, just that DRK and WAR outperform it in terms of damage. The curent meta is all about damage, because more damage= skiping mechanics and kill things faster. Meaning you want to go PLD? go PLD, have fun, but right now on realy >high end game content< people will prioritize a good WAR/DRK over a good PLD. But a good PLD will still be better than a bad WAR/ DRK.

You are literaly arguing over nothing.