What are save points made of? (SPOILERS)

[Crystalitar]

So something has been bugging my mind a while, so i need to say it.

How are the save points made?
Knowing how meta this game is and that the 4th wall is part of the game... i find it curious how the save point stars are made depending on the place.

Main reason i bring this up is the following from the True Lab. The amalgamite who disguises as the save point. I suspect that because the amalgamites have determination in them, they manage to get into a new level of reality power.

Our character can reset and save. The highest known reality power (next to omega flowey). So the amalgamites transforming into speech bubbles and save point look alikes should be the next stadium of added power thanks to the determination.

If we think about this. Aren't save point then very small pure matter of determination concentrated around a specific area. It got the power to heal your soul even. And the soul is where the determination is in.

The more determination. The more 4th wall breaking power is available.

Thats all i wanted to get off my mind.

[Strider VM]

^

Sounds legit.

[Saladin]

Yeah, I like it. I never questioned it, but this seems like a pretty good explanation.

[Kevzy]

Originally posted by StriderVM:

^

Sounds legit.

[Crystalitar]

One could also argue that with this, it could maybe suggest Undyne and Sans to have very small matter of determination. and don't melt like the amalgamites.

The amalgamites had a lot of determination pumped into them with these conditions
-The monsters were on the brink of dying
-They got a LOT pumped into them before reviving
One could say because they used the determination (the huge amount) to revive, it costed too much for their body, and THUS began melting.The determination however enabled them to live on and have that small reality power level.

By this, one could say undyne has some SMALL amount. be it gained by a small accident in the True Lab in her eye?. She starts to melt if killed (both neutral and geno) where in neutral she is not using the determination enough to keep on living (could also be the amount). In genocide she fully uses the small amount of determination and revives. again she started to melt just before dying.

By these 2, one could say that determination used for reviving or trying to survive causes the body to melt of monsters. Magic bodies x determination revival usage = melting. Humans and flowers don't melt :)

For the case of sans, he could have gained a bit by his rumoured science background. He knows the laws of reality and studied it. Knowing of it and using the small amount he can use that reality power to teleport. He doesn't use the power of determination to revive so he doesn't melt. Reason he doesn't use it at geno run, could be that he's too lazy(not believing in it), and not determined enough to activate it.



Also determination is gotten from human souls.. "humans consist of mostly water". Determination is extracted from "Human water bodies."

Magic monster bodies turn to dust when dying.

Dust + Water = Melting goo (mud like)

thus monsters only melt when using the determination to refrain from turning into dust.

[DankSlayer]

They are made of cheese.



Alright, that's not true. But the may be cream filled.

[illshouyu]

While I'd like to think Toby thought of everything, I really struggle to believe save points are anything more than just typical save points. I think coming back to life would've been presented in a much different way if he had really wanted to portray save points differently.

[Crystalitar]

Originally posted by EvilDoRuk:

While I'd like to think Toby thought of everything, I really struggle to believe save points are anything more than just typical save points. I think coming back to life would've been presented in a much different way if he had really wanted to portray save points differently.

different way like?

[illshouyu]

Whatever I say would be of my own creation, so it's not worth imagining. I just mean to say that Toby is clearly fond of breaking away from tropes, and thus I think if he intended to do so with save points, they would not be so generic.

[CyperAleksi]

They're made of tears.

[Crystalitar]

Originally posted by EvilDoRuk:

Whatever I say would be of my own creation, so it's not worth imagining. I just mean to say that Toby is clearly fond of breaking away from tropes, and thus I think if he intended to do so with save points, they would not be so generic.

hmm you got a point tough. For me tough, i like energy save points way more then statue save points or flags etc that is comon in other games.

[Crystalitar]

Bumping for new people to see

[brickey.8]

Ironically for a game that makes most of its game mechanics explicitly exist, I don't think save points actually exist as big glowing stars that everyone can see. I think those just highlight areas where something in the environment exists for Frisk to focus on and renew their sense of determination, healing their wounds and saving the game. When you die, you just go back to the last time you felt really determined.

I admit the theory's a bit flawed because of the geno route since you save in the same places despite completely ignoring the things Frisk drew determination from. I'd expect it to be more a "save before/after every battle" or "save anywhere" deal, if that were the explanation.

[Lunarluck]

I always assume it's a star...... like the one mentions in the cave (i know it makes no sense).

[Crystalitar]

Originally posted by brickey.8:

Ironically for a game that makes most of its game mechanics explicitly exist, I don't think save points actually exist as big glowing stars that everyone can see. I think those just highlight areas where something in the environment exists for Frisk to focus on and renew their sense of determination, healing their wounds and saving the game. When you die, you just go back to the last time you felt really determined.

I admit the theory's a bit flawed because of the geno route since you save in the same places despite completely ignoring the things Frisk drew determination from. I'd expect it to be more a "save before/after every battle" or "save anywhere" deal, if that were the explanation.

Good first point, but then can we assume save points can only be seen/created by tought, by creatures with determination? It would explain why the amalgamite hiding as it knew how it "looked" like. Flowey can save (has determination) and us.

[Crystalitar]

Bump bc i cant copy paste url on mobile. Its relevant to that sans has determination thread.