Strongest being in the game? *SPOILERS*

[Nathaniel Prime]

I think I've identified the top three. I'm also interested in which of the three would be able to beat the others. What do you guys think? One rule - since power to SAVE transfers between characters and is lost sometimes, let's say nobody can save scum during this showdown.

Sans. I haven't played a Genocide run because I'm not a complete monster, but I have seen the videos of his fight and man, is he ready to give you a bad time. He packs a serious punch and can also teleport. He is also far and away the most cunning opponent in the game. He can't stand up to the other two in term sof raw power but he may not need it. His biggest weakness is his frailty.

Asriel (at full power). The only one on this list capable of breaking the barrier by himself, Asriel seems to have the most durability of any being in the game except Mettaton, at 9999 defense and HP! Oddly he has a comparatively low attack, at 8. This may be caused by what I see as his greatest weakness - his power depending on the souls of others. It could be argued that Asriel did in fact achieve his true potential while breaking the barrier, since all of the souls in him would likely be giving him as much power as they could so he could break it.

Chara (at the end of Genocide). By the end of a Genocide run, Chara seems to be so powerful that he can kill the -world- in one attack. It is unclear to me if he literally destroys everything, or just the monsters. His pure hate would explain how he could kill all monsters, as monsters are hurt more by those who hate more, but it is not clear how he managed to destroy reality itself, if that's what he did. Fortunately for the rest of the world he's a one-trick pony. His one trick is to hit hard enough to obliterate basically anything, which is admittedly a pretty good trick but this leaves him with some weird vulnerabilities. For example, Chara would probably lose a one-on-one duel to the death with Nabstablook, of all things, since he can't kill an incorporeal enemy. A very flexible opponent who can mimic the abilities of other enemies (read: Asriel) could potentially exploit this weakness hard.

I'm having trouble deciding who would win in each matchup - what do you guys think?

[MythlyInari]

I like to think it's Sans. While Flowey+Asriel+Chara have possibly high levels of LOVE...

I'll let a comment say this for me.

From Hellfire14 (A comment I found on Youtube)

"I think being statistically the weakest enemy in the game carries a lot of symbolism, as well as adding to his badass factor.

If you think about it, the only way you get to level up is killing enemies. I feel he may have charmed his way through life instead, never needing to kill anyone up until now.

However, he's smart. He actively avoids your attacks, uses poison, and actually takes advantage of his low attack power to hit you continuously without activating your invincibility frames.
He's capable of putting up more of a fight than any other enemy in the game, because he doesn't need power. He knows how to use it.

He's gotten this far without levelling up once. So, the big question is...

What would happen if he could be bothered to train?"

His LOVE is pratically ZERO! Or, hell, below it!
He's not even at his potential. Even when he fights you after the "No Mercy Spare" he attempts in the fight.
Oh god.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Technically I believe Chara and Asriel would be about equal in power. Chara had 7 human souls, and Asriel had 6 plus every monster soul besides Napstablook's which should be roughly equal to Chara's 7 human souls according to the game.

Yes, Asriel can in fact destroy the world and reset everything like Chara does. He just doesn't in-game because he wants to toy with Chara/Frisk.

Sans would lose when it comes to those other 2, I mean Chara technically kills Sans in the game even without being at full power. He can stand up well against humans, but not gods or figments of pure determination.

Asriel would lose to Chara because he just isn't pure evil like Chara is. He would hold back and try to reason with Chara, but Chara wouldn't hesitate in a moment to kill him.

So Chara...

[He Who Is Vile]

Sans is the weakest enemy. He's only tough to beat because he doesn't play by the rules.

Asriel (as we fight him, not crybaby form) and Chara both possess the power to destroy the entire world, but Chara is 'stronger' in the end solely because they don't hesitate, they don't hold back, and they don't care about anything or anyone. Emotions make Asriel weak, but they also make him into a more likable character.

[Pizzarugi]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

Technically I believe Chara and Asriel would be about equal in power. Chara had 7 human souls, and Asriel had 6 plus every monster soul besides Napstablook's which should be roughly equal to Chara's 7 human souls according to the game.

Yes, Asriel can in fact destroy the world and reset everything like Chara does. He just doesn't in-game because he wants to toy with Chara/Frisk.

Sans would lose when it comes to those other 2, I mean Chara technically kills Sans in the game even without being at full power. He can stand up well against humans, but not gods or figments of pure determination.

Asriel would lose to Chara because he just isn't pure evil like Chara is. He would hold back and try to reason with Chara, but Chara wouldn't hesitate in a moment to kill him.

So Chara...

Chara doesn't have any additional human souls, they cannot have any human souls. Being human stops them from taking human souls. And keep in mind, during the No Mercy run, you destroy Asgore before he even reveals the 6 souls, meaning they would be out of your reach anyway.

Chara only needs one single soul (their own, no telling if they took Toriel's and Asgore's when they killed them) to destroy reality itself, whereas Asriel had to take 6 human souls and the souls of all monsters still alive to even get that same amount of power.

When factoring in Asriel's stats, it's debateable which one would be stronger. They're both capable of destroying reality itself on a whim. However, Chara's been fighting monsters they can actually kill with average stats. Asriel has 9999 DEF, meaning he's practically beyond physical reach. Unless Chara can somehow weaken Asriel's defense, there's absolutly no way they could stand up against him.

[Herr Sten]

Can Undyne the Undying fit into this or is she out of her league?

[Lital]

The player is a pretty solid presence in Undertale. So that's my pick.

[Brassqund]

Originally posted by Lital:

The player is a pretty solid presence in Undertale. So that's my pick.

He can be REALLY strong (genocide run), REALLY weak (pacifist) or between that
(neutral) but... in any case, he gots a lot of DETERMINATION which is one
of the biggest (if not the biggest) power of the game.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

Chara doesn't have any additional human souls, they cannot have any human souls. Being human stops them from taking human souls. And keep in mind, during the No Mercy run, you destroy Asgore before he even reveals the 6 souls, meaning they would be out of your reach anyway.

Chara only needs one single soul (their own, no telling if they took Toriel's and Asgore's when they killed them) to destroy reality itself, whereas Asriel had to take 6 human souls and the souls of all monsters still alive to even get that same amount of power.

When factoring in Asriel's stats, it's debateable which one would be stronger. They're both capable of destroying reality itself on a whim. However, Chara's been fighting monsters they can actually kill with average stats. Asriel has 9999 DEF, meaning he's practically beyond physical reach. Unless Chara can somehow weaken Asriel's defense, there's absolutly no way they could stand up against him.

Chara isn't exactly "human" anymore. Chara is basically nothing but a presence of pure determination that clings onto the SOULS of others in order to pursue its own will. So Chara can actually absorb the human souls now including Frisk's. This is why Chara refers to themself as a "demon".

[aub]

It's definitely the player. No question.

[Magus]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

Chara doesn't have any additional human souls, they cannot have any human souls. Being human stops them from taking human souls. And keep in mind, during the No Mercy run, you destroy Asgore before he even reveals the 6 souls, meaning they would be out of your reach anyway.

Chara only needs one single soul (their own, no telling if they took Toriel's and Asgore's when they killed them) to destroy reality itself, whereas Asriel had to take 6 human souls and the souls of all monsters still alive to even get that same amount of power.

When factoring in Asriel's stats, it's debateable which one would be stronger. They're both capable of destroying reality itself on a whim. However, Chara's been fighting monsters they can actually kill with average stats. Asriel has 9999 DEF, meaning he's practically beyond physical reach. Unless Chara can somehow weaken Asriel's defense, there's absolutly no way they could stand up against him.

Chara isn't exactly "human" anymore. Chara is basically nothing but a presence of pure determination that clings onto the SOULS of others in order to pursue its own will. So Chara can actually absorb the human souls now including Frisk's. This is why Chara refers to themself as a "demon".

I like this point a lot. Does the merit of being a demon as Chara claims give you authority to absorb human AND monster souls?

Oooh and furthermore does that trump the "god" state afforded by a monster with 7 human souls. Keep in mind Ultimate God of Hyperdeath Asriel is not defeated, he gives up when confronted by SAVE.

[Fine And Dandy]

Well strong in what category?Chara can dish out force, but cant take it.Sans has 1/monsters of a human soul and manages to put up a huge fight when chara is at full power in your body. Asriel Dreemur had 7 human souls but would hold back,as well as losing against. frisk.Frisk was literally tap into a gods determination to awekan their friends. So i guess it would be ranked like this:
1.Frisk
2.Chara
3.Asriel Dreemur
4.Sans
Sans is last because asriel dreemur is preety much a god.Also chara has lost her physical form and relies souly on frisk,and managed to get overcome by her(pacifist)
So yes,frisk is in fact the strongest being.
But i dont think undyne the undying ranks on this list because she is a being of pure determination existing only because of her will to kill chara/frisk and would probably stop living if frisk would die.

[Pizzarugi]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

Chara doesn't have any additional human souls, they cannot have any human souls. Being human stops them from taking human souls. And keep in mind, during the No Mercy run, you destroy Asgore before he even reveals the 6 souls, meaning they would be out of your reach anyway.

Chara only needs one single soul (their own, no telling if they took Toriel's and Asgore's when they killed them) to destroy reality itself, whereas Asriel had to take 6 human souls and the souls of all monsters still alive to even get that same amount of power.

When factoring in Asriel's stats, it's debateable which one would be stronger. They're both capable of destroying reality itself on a whim. However, Chara's been fighting monsters they can actually kill with average stats. Asriel has 9999 DEF, meaning he's practically beyond physical reach. Unless Chara can somehow weaken Asriel's defense, there's absolutly no way they could stand up against him.

Chara isn't exactly "human" anymore. Chara is basically nothing but a presence of pure determination that clings onto the SOULS of others in order to pursue its own will. So Chara can actually absorb the human souls now including Frisk's. This is why Chara refers to themself as a "demon".

That is only true after your first No Mercy run. Remember, Chara tells you they didn't know why they were reincarnated until after you "guided" them in slaughtering their way through the underground.

This explains why they call themself a demon, because you guided them twice through a No Mercy run, so they believe they're some kind of creature that hungers for power.

[Magus]

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

Chara isn't exactly "human" anymore. Chara is basically nothing but a presence of pure determination that clings onto the SOULS of others in order to pursue its own will. So Chara can actually absorb the human souls now including Frisk's. This is why Chara refers to themself as a "demon".

That is only true after your first No Mercy run. Remember, Chara tells you they didn't know why they were reincarnated until after you "guided" them in slaughtering their way through the underground.

This explains why they call themself a demon, because you guided them twice through a No Mercy run, so they believe they're some kind of creature that hungers for power.

This may actually be a point of contention. Chara also describes themself as a demon that comes when its called. It may be that Chara doesn't understand itself until it's "awakened" by bloodshed. Perhaps while you are playing passively that aspect of yourself is suppressed and Chara thinks it's doing what it was meant to, but the vicious RPG killer is its true form?

[Nathaniel Prime]

I suppose I should have put Genocide Frisk and Chara as being sort of the same being. I don't think the player counts as being "powerful" - while they are no doubt the most influential being in the game, remember that the ability to SAVE is disabled here. Also, no matter what you do, there is no way the player can beat either Asriel or Chara at the height of their power (Asriel isn't defeated so much as he decides to stop fighting).

While initially I was going to rank Asriel at the very top, and may still, I just realized that Chara does something -really- impressive. He defeats the player's ability to SAVE - once you get the Genocide ending, Chara has won, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it (without cheating).

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Nathaniel Prime:

I suppose I should have put Genocide Frisk and Chara as being sort of the same being. I don't think the player counts as being "powerful" - while they are no doubt the most influential being in the game, remember that the ability to SAVE is disabled here. Also, no matter what you do, there is no way the player can beat either Asriel or Chara at the height of their power (Asriel isn't defeated so much as he decides to stop fighting).

While initially I was going to rank Asriel at the very top, and may still, I just realized that Chara does something -really- impressive. He defeats the player's ability to SAVE - once you get the Genocide ending, Chara has won, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it (without cheating).

That's because Frisk can only SAVE when Chara's own determination combines with his/hers granting them enough to actually be able to perform this feat. Once Chara leaves, Frisk no longer has that ability. Chara's determination combines with Frisk's when he/she lands on the bed of golden flowers at the start of the game, which is actually Chara's grave.

This is also why Frisk and Chara can't RESET to anytime before Frisk lands on the bed of golden flowers.