[Spoilers] Neutral Ending Plothole

[Astrobot? I love that guy!]

Flowey destroyed Asgore's soul. So how did Frisk escape? A human soul and a monster soul are needed. Frisk only had his own soul.

Also, the other six human souls couldn't be responsible, as they vanished after helping you defeat Flowey. Even if they were somehow responsible for helping Frisk escape, the game states that a human and monster should are required. Multiple human souls can't do it, they can only shatter the barrier. And the barrier was not shattered.

So how did Frisk escape?

[Mawdesty]

I guess Flowey did it. Not sure how but after escaping Floweytale you just find yourself past the barrier.

[Aegix Drakan]

Flowey hacks you out of the game and past the barrier when he pulls that little stunt, I'd guess.

[Tysmin]

you don't escape you are tapped and thats why you need to go reset to get the true ending to escape.

[Mawdesty]

Thinking back on it I am pretty sure in neutral you escape. You get a message from the others not knowing where you are but they hope you are happy. Something along the lines of it taking a lot to free you so it had better be worth it.

[Welcoming Grave]

That's....huh...a...very good point!

The only thing I can come up with is...the Flowey fight happened outside of the barrier after he 'hacked' the game and ensure it would happen there, thus giving you a less then satisfying ending?

But...that's stretching it, at that point

[Crystalitar]

I alwas believed that special souls (monster souls and human souls) have a certain energy aura. If a soul of those is shattered, a big energy releases in the area for a short time.

This is how i imagined it that frisk was able to go through the barrier after the soul of Asgore was shattered. Also a reason why killing toriel could not be enough (seeing how that was a "long" time ago.) And normal monster souls do not persist after death.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

The 6 human souls with your own allow you to escape the barrier.

You don't destroy the barrier and free the monsters however, because by going neutral you basically are saying you only wanted to escape.

You don't specifically need a human and monster soul, just a power equivalent or greater to it.

[Crystalitar]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

The 6 human souls with your own allow you to escape the barrier.

You don't destroy the barrier and free the monsters however, because by going neutral you basically are saying you only wanted to escape.

a human soul can't absorb another human soul tough. but a human can absorb a boss monster soul

[Welcoming Grave]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

The 6 human souls with your own allow you to escape the barrier.

You don't destroy the barrier and free the monsters however, because by going neutral you basically are saying you only wanted to escape.

But humans can't absord other human souls, they can only absorb monsters and vice versa for the monsters can only absorb human souls.

It would take something neither monster nor human to be able to aborb either/both

Unless you're suggesting the six human souls just shattered the barrier when they pwned Flowey too, which I guess is the only other explination, but again...a stretch since we didn't see it/have it eluded to at all

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Crystalitar-NYEH-HEH-HEH:

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

The 6 human souls with your own allow you to escape the barrier.

You don't destroy the barrier and free the monsters however, because by going neutral you basically are saying you only wanted to escape.

a human soul can't absorb another human soul tough. but a human can absorb a boss monster soul

the 6 souls help you defeat Flowey out of their own free will, so I would assume they also choose to help you escape...

You don't have to absorb them all as one being. 7 seperate souls also works as 7 human magicians sealed the barrier.

[Astrobot? I love that guy!]

First, Dlowey doesn't have a soul at all, so he could not do anything with the barrier. He destroyed Asgore's soul and absorbed six human souls. They have no power to break the seal without a seventh human soul. So Flowey lacked a monster soul of any kind. So that's out.

Humans cannot absorb other human souls, as stated in the game. So Frisk could not have absorbed them.

The six human souls could not break the barrier without a seventh. Even assuming the six souls used Frisk's seventh to break the barrier, it wasn't what happened. The barrier was not broken because in all neutral endings the monsters are still trapped underground.

So it's pretty much a plot hole at this point.

One explanation might work. Perhaps for those few seconds before Flowey destroyed Asgore's soul Frisk used it to cross the barrier. Since Flowey has no soul at all perhaps he could cross the barrier willingly.

[K33n3r]

Isn't Chara lying dormant inside of Frisk before his awakening after a genocide run? That would explain how he was able to get past the barrier.

[Pckables]

You don't need SPECIFICALLY a human and monster soul, just the equivalent power to one. They say at least 1 human and 1 monster soul because a human can't absorb another human soul.

[Marsh]

Flowey might have absorbed the boss monster soul from asgore so he could leave the underground after getting bored with killing you over and over and when the humans souls leave him asgores might to so you can absorb it.

[Crystalitar]

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