[Spoilers - Specific To Genocide Run] Did anyone else notice this about Undyne?

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

She's the only monster in the game to -naturally- develop Determination. When you kill her the first time, she starts to come apart, and then snaps back together- in the same manner that the player character does when she comes back.

Moreover, when she dies- she starts to -melt-.

Bear in mind, most monsters when injected with determination lose their physical stability. in other words. They melt. Which Undyne does, before just blowing apart. And whilst the amalgamates have determination, and can't die? Flowey =also= has determination, and can. He's violently obliterated. >> So, yeah. >>

<< Basically, Undyne is the only monster in the game to naturally develop some degree of Determination. It just..doesn't really matter in the end, because as noted with Flowey. If a creature with determination faces one with 'more' they can't reset (In A genocide run, flowey mentions he can't reset after meeting Frisk/Chara).

I just found that sort of...neat about her. (Also, I didn't personally run Genocide. I just saw a playthrough, since I couldn't stomach it- but I heard it was pretty heavy on story >>).

[Michelozzo]

I don't think she's the only one, but she's the only one to do so that we encounter. Its clearly something that can happen. Considering monsters are more controlled by their mental state than we water based humans, perhaps the fact that she's so hyped up all the time from 'human history' with Alphys literally gave her some measure of Determination? Just a thought.

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

Except, in genocide. It's not just human history. She recognizes that Frisk is an enemy to monsters, -and- human. At that point, she sets aside fighting for just the sake of those in the underground, and is fighting -even- for the humans she's set herself to combat earlier on.

It's not necessarily the things she's seen about human history. But a general belief that Frisk is a voracious monster out to destroy everyone (rightfully so), and a desire to protect everyone. Even the people who have been historically the enemy of monster kind. A very determined choice.

Also, Historically, I believe she -is- the only monster to develop determination naturally. Neither the amalgamates, nor Flowey developed it naturally. In fact, Alphys, the scientist, was astounded by the monsters which had 'fallen down', not turning to dust. That implies that it's not a phenenomenon that's common at all.

Sans - we don't even see die. So there's no word on if he has determination. Or if he even properly died, due to time/space shenanigans.

[Michelozzo]

Originally posted by ~*Arlyeon*~:

Except, in genocide. It's not just human history. She recognizes that Frisk is an enemy to monsters, -and- human. At that point, she sets aside fighting for just the sake of those in the underground, and is fighting -even- for the humans she's set herself to combat earlier on.

It's not necessarily the things she's seen about human history. But a general belief that Frisk is a voracious monster out to destroy everyone (rightfully so), and a desire to protect everyone. Even the people who have been historically the enemy of monster kind. A very determined choice.

Also, Historically, I believe she -is- the only monster to develop determination naturally. Neither the amalgamates, nor Flowey developed it naturally. In fact, Alphys, the scientist, was astounded by the monsters which had 'fallen down', not turning to dust. That implies that it's not a phenenomenon that's common at all.

Sans - we don't even see die. So there's no word on if he has determination. Or if he even properly died, due to time/space shenanigans.

I was more thinking of why she has Determination in general, because even if you kill her in what would become a Neutral run, she does the come back only to begin melting thing while throwing out slower and slower attacks at you. But you are correct - at that point in a Geno run you are literally so vile to her, she's willing to defend the very humans that banished monsters to the underground in the first place just to see you dead.

Shame her Determination can't outlast that of a Player. Oh well. : )

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

I never killed her, so I didn't know that. Nonetheless, that particular burst of determination is likely why she transforms in Genocide.

Either way- she's definitely interesting, both as a character, and due to her characteristics.

[Michelozzo]

Originally posted by ~*Arlyeon*~:

I never killed her, so I didn't know that. Nonetheless, that particular burst of determination is likely why she transforms in Genocide.

Either way- she's definitely interesting, both as a character, and due to her characteristics.

Honestly I think she transforms in Genocide but not in About to Fail Pacifist because she gets killed so quickly. When she dies in the Neutral path, its a drag out slug fest that has likely taxxed her enough as is. By the time she's trying to tap into more strength to keep fighting, she's got nothing left, or is running on fumes.

But well, when you one shot her in Genocide, she's still basically at full capacity even if she's about to scatter into a million pieces. Giving her more than enough mojo to transform - although I imagine she's something like a Star gone Nova at that point - beautiful and deadly, but doomed to a very short brilliant lifespan after the fact.

Assuming of course, you don't kill her first.

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

Maybe. But maybe not. Determination doesn't fail out for the player after they win. Despite exploding dozens of times against an enemy :p.

[Michelozzo]

Originally posted by ~*Arlyeon*~:

Maybe. But maybe not. Determination doesn't fail out for the player after they win. Despite exploding dozens of times against an enemy :p.

It does if you stop playing. Like, rage quit uninstall the game kind of stop playing. Aka what sans was trying to make you do at the end of a Geno run.

[Crystalitar]

i think, alphys once did inject her with determination, maybe accidental (her eye)

Do remember that all the other monsters only started melting together having been injected MULTIPLE times with determination. One small time determination, could help her be this determined, reaching their full potential in her Undying form. I heard she also kind og starts melting if you try to kill her in a neutral run.

Also glowing eye.. just like sans who has glowing eyes who is a science dude.

[Arlyeon [Crit Hit]]

I doubt that. Alphys subjects were all the amalgamates, and then she stopped testing due to being horrified at the result. What Undyne has is the only -natural- occurence of determination cropping up.

At least in the same context as a monster. :P I think She lost her eye to one of the kids. Quite plausibly the gun slinger.