Undertale

Undertale

nukkabob 2015 年 11 月 7 日 下午 10:46
Who would win in in a fight?
Omega Flowey, Asriel, or Sans?
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Kevzy 2015 年 11 月 7 日 下午 10:50 
Jerry.
Pizzarugi 2015 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:07 
In a physical brawl, Omega Flowey due to immense size. In terms of magic power, Sans destroys all with Asriel close behind.

Flowey has mentioned that he's fought Sans a few times in the past, claiming he's caused him to reset quite a few times before. If Sans can dunk you, he can definitely dunk 2 almost-gods.
(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:06 
Well Flowey is Asriel so I don't know how they would fight each other both would beat Sans.
That Cryptid Kira 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:12 
Sans. Lets be real, his fight is WAY harder than the other two
(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:20 
I should remind people that Asriel has the same powers as Chara at the end of Genocide Run, so he could destroy the world if he wanted. The only reason he didn't was because he wanted to continue the game with Frisk/Chara... if you remove them there's no reason for him to hold back.
Asriel is already stronger than Omega Flowey since the whole purpose of becoming his true self was to be more powerful. Plus, even if Sans did win somehow Asriel can RESET until he beats him. Just like you do when you fight Sans.

Asriel wins...
最后由 (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:26
He Who Is Vile 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 12:35 
Although Sans breaks the rules when you fight him, Asriel is also literally impossible to beat by Fighting since he has infinite attack and defense and can just as easily dodge forever.

So in terms of game mechanics? Asriel wins. Although Sans' fight is considered to be the hardest in the game, it is still possible to defeat without being hit once. Can't be said so much when it comes to the Flowey/Asriel fights, mainly due to Flowey being a bastard and final-form Asriel using some completely unavoidable attacks that the player can only survive through DETERMINATION.
Michelozzo 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:17 
Well, we do run into one problem with this theoretical battle - it literally can't happen. And not just because Flowey/Asriel can't occupy the same space at the same time. But the fact that Asriel in a battle ready body also can't occupy the same space as sans.

So its really only down to Omega Flowey vs sans.

In a single confrontation? sans. Omega Flowey is just extreme blunt force trauma on a massive scale. That's kind of irrelevant against someone whose magic more or less allows him to alter the laws of quantum mechanics to be his ♥♥♥♥♥.

Now, considering RESETs and such? Omega Flowey, *assuming* his patience holds up. He'd very much be in the position of a Genocide player at this point - RESETting over and over again until they either cave in and give up, or they finally manage to hit the smiling smol skeleton bro.
Arlyeon [Crit Hit] 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:21 
If we allow Paradoxes to happen due to time/space breaking down. Asriel. He's literally the more powerful varient of Flowey- And can obliterate the universe. He is on par, or even potentially more powerful than Frisk, due to absorbing all the human souls -And- monster souls.

Sans, feasibly, would win against Flowey quite a few times- but considering that omega flowey is able to absorb Sans. It's implied that Flowey would -eventually- win. Sans will win a good many times, but due to Flowey being able to infinitely rewind that fight. They eventually get the one up. (That said, that means in a straight up fight, Sans is considerably more powerful. And if the Human souls got sick of Flowey- sans would win :P).
Arlyeon [Crit Hit] 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:22 
I'm more curious of if True Pacifist Frisk Vs Chara would win- considering Frisk -tanks- an attack from an entity capable of destroying the universe >>
Michelozzo 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:27 
引用自 ~*Arlyeon*~
If we allow Paradoxes to happen due to time/space breaking down. Asriel. He's literally the more powerful varient of Flowey- And can obliterate the universe. He is on par, or even potentially more powerful than Frisk, due to absorbing all the human souls -And- monster souls.

Sans, feasibly, would win against Flowey quite a few times- but considering that omega flowey is able to absorb Sans. It's implied that Flowey would -eventually- win. Sans will win a good many times, but due to Flowey being able to infinitely rewind that fight. They eventually get the one up. (That said, that means in a straight up fight, Sans is considerably more powerful. And if the Human souls got sick of Flowey- sans would win :P).

I wouldn't say Frisk is very powerful at all - they're a complete adorable cinnamon bun that wouldn't hurt a fly in that playthrough after all. They're just so damned DETERMINED that even Death and utter universe obliteration doesn't stop them. Or whole numbers, for that matter.

Like I mentioned, Omega Flowey v sans in a long battle where RESETs are considered comes down to Omega Flowey's patience. He'd like absorb sans as a 'fatality' but remember he had to actually grab him to do it. Although I hadn't considered the human souls fighting back even if Frisk isn't the one OF is fighting...interesting thought.

I'm honestly not the biggest fan of Asriel in this kind of conversation - Its like debating who could beat Superman. The answer is no one because writing for Superman isn't about him losing, its about him living in a world of cardboard and tying to adapt to that. In Asriel's case though, he's literally an overpowered OC made by an 8 year old with no concept of credible threat XD.
Michelozzo 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:28 
引用自 ~*Arlyeon*~
I'm more curious of if True Pacifist Frisk Vs Chara would win- considering Frisk -tanks- an attack from an entity capable of destroying the universe >>

Well, assuming paradox where they can both exist at the same time...not sure. TP Frisk is Immortal from DETERMINATION basically, so Chara couldn't win...but Frisk doesn't -fight-. I doubt Chara would accept any sort of Mercy...eternal stalemate?
Arlyeon [Crit Hit] 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:40 
Not quite an eternal stalemate. Frisk technically -does- fight. She pounds down both Asgore -and- Omega Flowey, very slowly. She just chooses to spare them, in the end. So, she's not an absolute pacifist :P.

If you are going to consider the absolute lack of fighting in true pacifist, however - This would still the universe intact. In the same manner that Frisk Versus Asriel kept the universe intact.

P.P.S. >> The human souls helped Frisk out because she asked for their help. She believed in them. Sans -gave- you a chance. Partly because of that promise, but also because he wanted to believe in you.

I think, likewise, he'd be willing to reach out to those human souls.

>> And given he's a monster, he could even ask them to let him absorb them one by one as they rebelled against Flowey. At about which point... >> If Sans had a human soul (or several) in him during that fight, he'd -steam- role.
Crystalitar 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 2:25 
Omega flowey, he literally controls the room where you are in, and all the attacks are near imposible to avoid. 1hp sans won't last long xD
wifeburger 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 2:36 
First things first, Flowey (or Omega Flowey in this situation) IS a re-incarnation of Asriel, so how would they fight each-other if one can only exist without the other? (Going full Harry Potter here!) Asriel would win, mainly because even the game practically worships him as a god. Labelling him as the ultimate enemy and your hardest encounter, he is literally the God of Hyperdeath!
最后由 wifeburger 编辑于; 2015 年 11 月 8 日 上午 2:36
fredrik karl lars 2016 年 6 月 4 日 上午 9:48 
Why do people think Sans can beat both Omega Flowey and Asriel GOHD?
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