Was Chara W.D Gaster's experiment?

[Teie]

Ok, I got that you need at least 6 souls, thank you all for correction)
But the real question here: is Chara an experiment of W.D Gaster. Why?

１）ＰＨＯＴＯＮ ＲＥＡＤＩＮＧＳ　ＮＥＧＡＴＩＶＥ
２）ＤＡＲＫ，ＤＡＲＫＥＲ，ＹＥＴ　ＤＡＲＫＥＲ

As far as I was able to understand, Gaster tried to do an experiment on human soul power (determination) long before Alphys to set all the monsters free from the underground. As an initial result of his research he concluded that it was impossible to artificially recreate the power that runs human souls. Then he tried to use an alternative source of power - a monster soul which upon being extracted eventually killed the host...but it was different with humans (entry #5). Unlike Alphys, though, he acknowledged the truth from the very begining and tried to extract the direct source of power - the human soul - from a living human...Chara. The results were shoking. When he tried to scan Chara for determination with no soul in her(ＰＨＯＴＯＮ ＲＥＡＤＩＮＧＳ　ＮＥＧＡＴＩＶＥ), he understood what he had done. Very dark part of her identity began to develop extremely fast(ＤＡＲＫ，ＤＡＲＫＥＲ，ＹＥＴ　ＤＡＲＫＥＲ). Sans was to observe the experiment ( WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK). Although, one question is open...who was the other person to talk to Gaster at that very moment?

UPD: It's known that Chara didn't want just to leave the underground(VHS 4,5). Apparently, she knew about the powers one might get having absorbed the necessary amount of souls which leads to... was SHE hefself the other person who talked to W.D Gaster before the experiment took place? => was Gaster's death really accidental?

UPD2 (no proofs here though): The result of this experiment might have led to Chara's much later on gaining these powers, so he might have decided to wipe her out from existence from all other timelines. She, possessing such powers, was able to travel back to the very first time the experiment was held and get rid of Gaster.
Or much simplier. He knew that no matter what, with her extreme determination going down to 　ＮＥＧＡＴＩＶＥ, she would still be able to gain the powers, and he desided stop her no matter what.

P.S Whose soul is running the true lab? Frisk's? Chara's?

[CyperAleksi]

You can pass through with one, but need seven to break it.

[a whole bunch of dogs&]

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Why didn't ASGORE just break the barrier when Chara passed away?!

because asriel absorbed it and it was overnight. the reason why they never got it back was because asriel the died after

[Teie]

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You can pass through with one, but need seven to break it. :flowey:

Then why Toriel says that Asgore could have done it having only one soul?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

. . .



. . . no

[CyperAleksi]

Could have passed through it with one soul, killed 6 humans, then come back and break it.

[a whole bunch of dogs&]

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You can pass through with one, but need seven to break it. :flowey:

Then why Toriel says that Asgore could have done it having only one soul?

probably because she said he only needs one more to break it, pay attention.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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Could have passed through it with one soul, killed 6 humans, then come back and break it. :flowey:

Actually you don't HAVE to KILL the other 6.

But it's definitely more FUN that way.

[CyperAleksi]

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Publicado originalmente por CyperAleksi:

Could have passed through it with one soul, killed 6 humans, then come back and break it.

Actually you don't HAVE to KILL the other 6.

But it's definitely more FUN that way.

That facial expression...

..I've been hanging out with shrooms again, haven't I?

[Teie]

Thank you all for correcton)

[Crystalitar]

No they need 7 himan souls to destroy. However only 1 human soul AND a monster soul absorbed together is needed to go through. Asriel and chara planned it so Asriel absorbed the sould in the dire moment of grief. Asgore and Toriel at that time probably didnt even think of absorbing chara's soul (most probably)

Also the asriel turning into flowey can be explained if you completely did the true lab.
Alphys had gotten her paws on the first golden flower from the surface. It appeared after asriel died. (The seeds stick). And we know a monsters essence goes into the item it's spread on. In a way he was "sleeping" in the flower until alphys gave it determination.

[>//The_FALCON]

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You can pass through with one, but need seven to break it.

Then why Toriel says that Asgore could have done it having only one soul?

... do you even read?

ONE human soul to pass through. SEVEN to break it.

With ONE soul he could've passed through the barrier and killed SIX humans, absorbing their souls and then break the barrier. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT TORIEL SAID.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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Publicado originalmente por CyperAleksi:

You can pass through with one, but need seven to break it. :flowey:

Then why Toriel says that Asgore could have done it having only one soul?

You only need ONE human and ONE monster SOUL at least to pass through.

You NEED 7 human SOULs or a power equal or GREATER to that in order to DESTROY the barrier.

[>//The_FALCON]

besides that: yes, I think that w.d. gaster experimented with chara, too.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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Then why Toriel says that Asgore could have done it having only one soul?

... do you even read?

ONE human soul to pass through. SEVEN to break it.

With ONE soul he could've passed through the barrier and killed SIX humans, absorbing their souls and then break the barrier. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT TORIEL SAID.

Toriel was saying he could have gone to the surface with one SOUL then gotten the help of six other humans to break the barrier peacefully without having to kill them.

7 separate SOULS created the barrier... 7 separate SOULs can break it.

This was what Chara's plan was, too. At least that's what they originally told me.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

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Actually you don't HAVE to KILL the other 6.

But it's definitely more FUN that way.

That facial expression...

..I've been hanging out with shrooms again, haven't I?

Who could say no to a face like that?