Asriel "What If" Scenario [Spoilers]

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

This is a sort of what if question I thought of today, I was wondering exactly if this scenario would work and what would be the consequences. This is for those that have a good understanding of the lore dealing with Chara, Frisk, and Asriel.

Anyway, my question is... What if after getting the pacifist ending, Frisk gave up his own soul in order to allow Asriel to permanently return to normal? To clarify when I was thinking this out, you would get this ending by making every possible character in the game happy going even further than what's required for the pacifist ending normally. You would then only trigger it by talking to Asriel back at the starting area of the game.

Is this possible? Would it be a "happier" ending?


EDIT: So... now with this scenario. There would of course have to be some consequence to make the player have second thoughts on getting the HAPPY ENDING...

If Frisk (the player) is gone, Asriel is sworn never to reset these events, and Chara has no control anymore... who restarts the game?

Would you save Asriel... would you make everyone else happy... if it meant once you completed this ending... you could never play the game again?

[Prince Silvermane]

There's a blog that exactly happens. I don't remember the name though.

[Kevzy]

Here's the blog (or tumblr if you'd prefer).[dreemurr-reborn.tumblr.com]

[Pizzarugi]

For Frisk to sacrifice themself to give Asriel back his life would only serve to strengthen my hypothesis thread, because it means Frisk/Chara is coming full-circle in giving their soul up. Only this time, Frisk/Chara isn't going to abuse their newly-gained power from the merge to hurt anyone.

And if you wanna look at it this way: Think of it as Frisk giving back a life they took away (Asriel's) when they were Chara.

Is the artist of the comics on that tumblr blog still active? I wanna toss a comic idea at them that's related to my hypothesis which I titled "The Last Genocide", which might easily tie in with the "Frisk giving their life for Asriel" concept.

[Kevzy]

Yeah he updated his comic yesterday I think. I frequent the reddit side of UT so yeah.

[Crystalitar]

Hmmm i think the conscience of chara can be a danger tough.

Its chara after all that can reset everything as said by flowey past pacifist end. Not frisk....

[Pizzarugi]

Originally posted by Crystalitar-NYEH-HEH-HEH:

Hmmm i think the conscience of chara can be a danger tough.

Its chara after all that can reset everything as said by flowey past pacifist end. Not frisk....

And yet you can reset everything. Ergo, Frisk is Chara. You are Chara. The pacifist ending is Chara becoming Frisk, taking up a new name and identity to absolve them of their bad past.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Crystalitar-NYEH-HEH-HEH:

Hmmm i think the conscience of chara can be a danger tough.

Its chara after all that can reset everything as said by flowey past pacifist end. Not frisk....

But, Chara can only attach to a human soul (that being Frisk's), and Asriel has stopped Chara from taking control in the past when Chara would have been much stronger.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

So... now with this scenario. There would of course have to be some consequence to make the player have second thoughts on getting the HAPPY ENDING...

Would you save Asriel... would you make everyone else happy... if it meant once you completed this ending... you could never play the game again?

[Pizzarugi]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

So... now with this scenario. There would of course have to be some consequence to make the player have second thoughts on getting the HAPPY ENDING...

Would you save Asriel... would you make everyone else happy... if it meant once you completed this ending... you could never play the game again?

That's always been the question since before this "My life for Asriel" concept. :P

Would you free all of the monsters and break the barrier, making everyone (except Asriel) happy, if it meant once you completed this ending, you could never play the game again?

Hell, even Flowey hints that you might not be a nice person if you take the true reset after the pacifist ending. "Let them go. Let everyone be happy." He's imploring you to stop playing, let everyone live their lives and enjoy their new freedom, you've gotten the best possible ending available. The only reason you'd want to reset is because you're not ready to let it end.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

So... now with this scenario. There would of course have to be some consequence to make the player have second thoughts on getting the HAPPY ENDING...

Would you save Asriel... would you make everyone else happy... if it meant once you completed this ending... you could never play the game again?

That's always been the question since before this "My life for Asriel" concept. :P

Would you free all of the monsters and break the barrier, making everyone (except Asriel) happy, if it meant once you completed this ending, you could never play the game again?

Hell, even Flowey hints that you might not be a nice person if you take the true reset after the pacifist ending. "Let them go. Let everyone be happy." He's imploring you to stop playing, let everyone live their lives and enjoy their new freedom, you've gotten the best possible ending available. The only reason you'd want to reset is because you're not ready to let it end.

I actually really like this concept... it's like you really are sacrificing your own joy just so you can give these fictional characters the happy ending they deserve. Though I do think having the player use their own soul to save Asriel would need to be a part of it to justify the game perma-locking. I also like the idea of Frisk sacrificing his soul to Asriel, because it directly mirrors Chara's plan, but by changing the endgoal gives it a whole new "happier" meaning.

[Pizzarugi]

Originally posted by DarkLordWiggles:

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

That's always been the question since before this "My life for Asriel" concept. :P

Would you free all of the monsters and break the barrier, making everyone (except Asriel) happy, if it meant once you completed this ending, you could never play the game again?

Hell, even Flowey hints that you might not be a nice person if you take the true reset after the pacifist ending. "Let them go. Let everyone be happy." He's imploring you to stop playing, let everyone live their lives and enjoy their new freedom, you've gotten the best possible ending available. The only reason you'd want to reset is because you're not ready to let it end.

I actually really like this concept... it's like you really are sacrificing your own joy just so you can give these fictional characters the happy ending they deserve. Though I do think having the player use their own soul to save Asriel would need to be a part of it to justify the game perma-locking. I also like the idea of Frisk sacrificing his soul to Asriel, because it directly mirrors Chara's plan, but by changing its endgoal gives it a whole new "happier" meaning.

Chara/Frisk isn't necessarily sacrificing their soul to give Asriel his happy ending. Just like Chara had done long ago, merging their soul with Asriel's gives Chara shared control of his body, which gave them the power to destroy the human village which Asriel resisted against.

If Frisk/Chara was to give their soul to Asriel to give him back his life, it only means Frisk/Chara losing their own life to give Asriel his own. They would still live on in Asriel's body, even given shared control just like before, except Frisk wouldn't try and use it to harm people.

Frisk/Chara would still be conscious and alive, but they're now bound together with Asriel. That means Frisk/Chara can (re)establish that sibling bond and they can still do things through Asriel via the shared control.

That Dreemurr Reborn blog explains this better than I am. In the comics where it shows Asriel fighting Sans because Sans believe Asriel killed Frisk despite Asriel trying to explain what happened, there's mixed dialogue. It's safe to assume the mysterious voice speaking words of encouragement to Asriel is Frisk. There's also the three plates comic in that same blog, where Frisk is talking to Toriel through Asriel. At least, that's the impression I'm getting.

[Hollow_Spam]

Chara would still be there after Frisk gives their soul to Asriel (assuming they decide to do so). Also, in a older post from the A Dreemur Reborn tumblr fanfiction page (which follows the events of if this occurs and of this timeline) shows that Chara is unable to reload any of their save points because the combined Determination of both Asriel and Frisk surpases Chara's. Since Chara doesn't have a soul though, it's probably a suprise to everyone that he hasn't taken on another form, similar to how Asriel turned into Flower, albeit Chara was a human to begin with and the same post covers that too.