Gender Discussion? Spoilers -_-

[LEAPFROG8462]

So I get that the game has to stay gender nuetral to allow the player to choose their own name. But even so, the story should be built around the player having a gender, and at first i thought, Girl! Makes sence, you have the option to date Papyrus, and to a lesser extent Sans. Seems legit. But things get all mixed up when Alphys shows up. And as the dialog states Alphys is a girl, so the whole dating prospect should be out of the picture. BUT NO, the ENTIRE hotland (Nuetral and passifist) is Alphys trying to keep her cool whildst talking to the player. And toward the end a letter which the player delivers to Alphys is mistaken as a love letter from the player, and you and her go on a date. Where she confesses to love Undyne, who is also a girl, as proven by monster kid in his dialog, and by frikkin LOOKING at her.

Now dearest reader prepare for conclusions:

If we are a boy: Papyrus is a Homosexual, perhaps Sans too, Alphys can be both bisexual and a lesbian. Though she prefers Undyne, her dialog suggests that she may also have intrest in the player. And we are gay as well, by dating Papyrus.

If we are a girl: Papyrus and Sans are clear. And Alphys is still lesbian, and always will be due to her love for Undyne.

Genders not a thing?: So if that were true, why would they lable characters with "she" or "he." Or maybe, genders are a thing, but they don't influence... eh... you know...

Before i wrap this up i will state that i do not have a problem with them or real people being lesbian or gay, no problem at all, i just want to know which one Undertale's cast are meant to be.

Now, to conclude, the path with the least amount of labels would be our character being a boy. But either way, Alphys is lesbian. Which im fine with, but i feel it does not fit the story well. So i ask you, what are your thoughts? I would love to hear them :D

And if you can help it, dont rub my nose in someone else' thread. Thank you


EDIT BASED ON COMMENTS: I would like to clarify a few things:
I undertand that all these "dates" were silly get togethers that are meant to connect you to the characters better, i only talk about them seriously because it's about the only evidence i have to conclude what gender Frisk is and direction of the other characters.

I get that this is meant to be up to you to decide your own fate, and by that logic we could be any combinatoin of genders and it mostly dosent matter. But that logic makes for a bad converstion. Im only making the assumption that we go on every date we can, and use that to try to determain what the characters INTENDED genders and preference would be.

Quit assuming that this is consuming my life, im not taking this that seriously. I have beaten the game in every way i can, and i only want to delve into logistics. So if you're thinking "Who the heck cares?" You dont have to voice your distaste, i have feelings too :)


~LEAPFROG

[Iron]

引用自 Crystalitar-NYEH-HEH-HEH：

Then if you want "math" like answers and holding this WITHOUT the player's gender. wich can make the listed the opposite as well. Also i am going out from the info we got from the game

Papyrus - Straight
Sans - Straight
Undyne - Lesbian.
Alphys - Bisexual

enough info for people's fanfics?

Trying to satisfy shippers? These are dangerous waters you're setting sail to...

[LEAPFROG8462]

引用自 Crystalitar-NYEH-HEH-HEH：

Then if you want "math" like answers and holding this WITHOUT the player's gender. wich can make the listed the opposite as well. Also i am going out from the info we got from the game

Papyrus - Straight
Sans - Straight
Undyne - Lesbian.
Alphys - Bisexual

Cool, so if this is correct regardless of player gender, and Papyrus has intrest in dating you, then based off of this, for Papyrus to be strait, the character would have to be Female. Based off of this.

Also where did you get your information? Especially about Undyne?

[Shayura]

Frisk is a hermaphrodite and thus is always straight no matter what gender they flirt and date with.

[Ζiоqch]

Clearly Frisk's face is of the type with an upper body of legend.

Frisk is obviously one of Rambo's chosen descendants, and thus, male.

[<コ:彡]

引用自 Pomp but spooky tho：

gender is stupid OP

+1

i don't know about you OP, but i kind of like being able to have a game where i don't have to choose between a boy and a girl character, and having that descion effect the plot or who or what i get to be able to access. what exactly are you trying to do with this, give the characters sexualities and then judge them for it?

i always thought that Alphys was nervous all the time because she had a social anxiety issue, mostly because of how nervous she gets about calling you, (as someone who has problems with it myself i would pretty much ♥♥♥♥ my pants if i was in her situation too) not a crush on Frisk/the player character, but you have a point with the love letter thing.

but this isn't a damn dating sim for ♥♥♥♥'s sake, it's a game about choosing whether you want to mercilessly kill the monsters or not, and the consequences based off of that. why should the character's gender be in any way even plot-relevant, let alone the entire game be "built around it"?

[Splodey_Goat]

I'm surprised no one yet has pointed out that monster sexuality isn't necessarily analogous to ours. I mean, seems like just about any monster in the underground is gonna have a hard time finding something that's even the same species as them, I highly doubt gender plays into their love lives as much as it does out.

Also the only characters you can date are Alphys (provably bi) and Papyrus (thinks you're hitting on him cause you're wearing clothes). Those are the only two moments in the entire game that could ever possibly have any semblance of difference based on the Frisk's gender and both of them work exactly the same no matter what Frisk's gender is.

[ActuallyZombie]

Like, really. The dating things are comedy relief, they hold no ground outside of said spots of comedy relief, only to be refered back to from time to time. The Papyrus date is goofy and silly because Papyrus is a dorky skeleton that doesn't know how dating works, the Undyne 'date' is funny because she's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ intense, and the Alphys date is funny because Alphys is incredibly awkward and you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roleplay out a date with you or her being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Undyne.

Nothing about these are serious, at all. None of the characters are even attracted to Frisk (they are a CHILD after all), so deciding Frisk's gender through their sexuality is moot anyway.

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引用自 Fusion：

Frisk is a plant person they have no gender.

Plants have a gender silly! I BET YOU DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO ASK THE PLANT PEOPLE THEIR PRONOUNS

[Splodey_Goat]

Is the Undyne date even really a date? It's been a while since I was on it, I thought she was just trying to be the best hostess ever to get back at you for sparing her. I don't remember anyone saying it was a date.

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引用自 Squirtle802：

Is the Undyne date even really a date? It's been a while since I was on it, I thought she was just trying to be the best hostess ever to get back at you for sparing her. I don't remember anyone saying it was a date.

It's not a date, just a hangout session. It never goes into first person and says "DATING START" like with the other 2, it only does that for the faux battle fake out at the end.

[ActuallyZombie]

引用自 Squirtle802：

Is the Undyne date even really a date? It's been a while since I was on it, I thought she was just trying to be the best hostess ever to get back at you for sparing her. I don't remember anyone saying it was a date.

It's as much as a date as any other date. Which is more of the point that i am trying to get across.

[RNG_Wizard]

I'm fairly certain the character's gender was left in the air so that the player could come to their own conclusions. I mean, continue to debate whether or not the main characters is male or female, but it really makes no difference and I believe it was meant to be left to your interpretation.

[Kailu The Bhaalspawn]

Given this information, just label everyone pansexual and be happy.

[Zaltys]

引用自 LEAPFROG8462：

Cool, so if this is correct regardless of player gender, and Papyrus has intrest in dating you, then based off of this, for Papyrus to be strait, the character would have to be Female.

No, because Papyrus makes it obvious that he never was interested in the protagonist that way. You get friendzoned at the end of the date.

He went on the date because that was what he thought he was supposed to do, after you flirted with him. Doesn't really tell anything of his orientation.

[Albanian Sans]

I would say that the main character is female, it would make the most sense.