Undertale

Undertale

Kausi Oct 18, 2015 @ 1:15am
*SPOILERS* GASTER Wing Ding findings and Ideas
Ok so my buddy and me just beat the game and have been thinking a lot about Gaster and how he can play into the game. Here is what we stumbled upon. Looking at the W.D. Gaster idea where W.D. Gaster breaks down to Wingdings Aster, if you type Gaster’s name and convert it to Wing Dings you get 1finger, two finger, water drop, snowflake, finger pointing backwards, and a sun.

Looking at these they are all the various “stages” of the game:

First finger = first ending
Two fingers = second ending
Water drop = Waterfall area
Snowflake = Snowdin area
Finger pointing backwards = Flowey final form/ sending you back in time
Sun = the Hotland area

It is odd enough that Gastor has all these symbols in his name, so naturally I put them in order of the progression of the game, meaning snowflake, water drop, sun, first finger, finger pointing backwards, and then the two fingers. Translating this back go English it is “TSRGEA.”

Doing a quick google search online the first thing that pops up is an unscrambler of letters website (odd knowing that the game is full of puzzles and has been known to use junior jumble to hide messages.) What makes it more interesting is the unscrambler only has one entry for TSRGEA which would be “STAGER.”.

Noun: stager stey-ju(r)
1. Someone who supervises the physical aspects in the production of a show and who is in charge of the stage when the show is being performed
- stage manager

2. An experienced person who has been through many battles; someone who has given long service
- veteran, old-timer, oldtimer, old hand, warhorse, old stager

Where am I going with all of this? Gastor is the stage manager of this entire game. If you thinking about it too, Alphys was monitoring the entire game as through cameras in her lab. Meaning that before she was hired by King Asgore, Gastor was the lead scientist and was developing not only the core but also a sort of “world stage” to aid in the collection of souls possibly. Well this is just something that has been rolling around in our heads and it seemed too convenient to game to just be coincidence. Thoughts?

Here is the reference that I was using as well to give these guys credit: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=520337707
Last edited by Kausi; Oct 18, 2015 @ 2:01am
< >
Showing 1-13 of 13 comments
Blu Oct 18, 2015 @ 3:57am 
Yup! I am said buddy. I buy into this theory as well, adding that we do know already that Gaster created the core. We don't know how important it is but judging by it being called the core, I can assume it's pretty darn important to the world.

Would like to know more regarding Gaster's relation to the other 2 skeleton brothers (skeleton triplets?). Safe to say they are related in some format due to the font relation and Sans knowledge and dialogue.
Matt T. Bastard Oct 18, 2015 @ 4:26am 
The snowflake/droplet/sun representing the 3 main areas is interesting, as is the anagram.
TheHellfridge Oct 18, 2015 @ 4:42am 
You do realize that Gaster already is an anagram of Stager, right? So the whole Format-To-Wing-Dings-And-Than-Scramble-It-Around-Thing is kinda unnecessary for the anagram theory. Apart from that I find it highly unlikely that there is any importance to that. Nowhere else in the game do anagrams occur, so this is probably meaningless and coincidental. There's no reason to believe that this has some special significance, especially since coincidentally meaningful anagrams are not that rare: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread701517/pg1

However, I don't find it totally far off, that Gaster in Wingdings (with the symbols and the fingers) has no meaning whatsoever. That's closer to the stuff, that was already shown in the game, so there's reason to believe that there might be some significance to it.
Matt T. Bastard Oct 18, 2015 @ 9:23am 
Originally posted by DommeFridge:
You do realize that Gaster already is an anagram of Stager, right? So the whole Format-To-Wing-Dings-And-Than-Scramble-It-Around-Thing is kinda unnecessary for the anagram theory. Apart from that I find it highly unlikely that there is any importance to that. Nowhere else in the game do anagrams occur, so this is probably meaningless and coincidental. There's no reason to believe that this has some special significance, especially since coincidentally meaningful anagrams are not that rare: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread701517/pg1

However, I don't find it totally far off, that Gaster in Wingdings (with the symbols and the fingers) has no meaning whatsoever. That's closer to the stuff, that was already shown in the game, so there's reason to believe that there might be some significance to it.

No other anagrams in the game?

Asriel Dreemurr - Serial Murderer
Last edited by Matt T. Bastard; Oct 18, 2015 @ 9:24am
girl pisser Oct 18, 2015 @ 9:40am 
he's the stage manager of the entire game...?

okay, i honestly thought the whole "Gaster is the dog" thing was a joke but that fits it too well, after all he was Toby in the hardmode placeholder ending

link for interested: https://forum.starmen.net/forum/RadDog/undertale/SPOILERS-W-D-Gaster-s-Identity-Revealed/
Last edited by girl pisser; Oct 18, 2015 @ 9:41am
Devin Oct 18, 2015 @ 11:24am 
Originally posted by Uba:
Yup! I am said buddy. I buy into this theory as well, adding that we do know already that Gaster created the core. We don't know how important it is but judging by it being called the core, I can assume it's pretty darn important to the world.
I thought Alphys said the core supplies the whole monster world with power.
Cheggf Oct 18, 2015 @ 2:43pm 
HAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD
LOOK AT YOU
LOOK AT YOU STRETCH YOUR GELATINOUS ARMS FAR FAR OUT AND GRASP AT NOTHING
BUT PULL SOMETHING BACK
Kausi Oct 18, 2015 @ 3:24pm 
Originally posted by DommeFridge:
You do realize that Gaster already is an anagram of Stager, right? So the whole Format-To-Wing-Dings-And-Than-Scramble-It-Around-Thing is kinda unnecessary for the anagram theory. Apart from that I find it highly unlikely that there is any importance to that. Nowhere else in the game do anagrams occur, so this is probably meaningless and coincidental. There's no reason to believe that this has some special significance, especially since coincidentally meaningful anagrams are not that rare: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread701517/pg1

However, I don't find it totally far off, that Gaster in Wingdings (with the symbols and the fingers) has no meaning whatsoever. That's closer to the stuff, that was already shown in the game, so there's reason to believe that there might be some significance to it.

There are tons of places anagrams occur, and yes I do agree the wing ding is a little long winded but it does play a significant role. It actually expands on the idea that Gastor is the creator or stage manger of the game, seeing that his name is the game.

Also noticed then when you add up the values of each letter in Gastors name it equals 67. 67 is a number that is used to symbolize the final day of creation. This enforces the idea that Gastor was/is the creator of the world/game. On another note, I tried setting the "fun" value of my game to 67 and the game rewrote all my settings. Not sure if a glitch or something else.
Last edited by Kausi; Oct 18, 2015 @ 3:45pm
Cheggf Oct 18, 2015 @ 3:46pm 
Originally posted by KaustiC:
Originally posted by DommeFridge:
You do realize that Gaster already is an anagram of Stager, right? So the whole Format-To-Wing-Dings-And-Than-Scramble-It-Around-Thing is kinda unnecessary for the anagram theory. Apart from that I find it highly unlikely that there is any importance to that. Nowhere else in the game do anagrams occur, so this is probably meaningless and coincidental. There's no reason to believe that this has some special significance, especially since coincidentally meaningful anagrams are not that rare: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread701517/pg1

However, I don't find it totally far off, that Gaster in Wingdings (with the symbols and the fingers) has no meaning whatsoever. That's closer to the stuff, that was already shown in the game, so there's reason to believe that there might be some significance to it.

there are tons of places anagrams occur, and yes I do agree th wing ding is a little long winded but it does play a significant role. It actually expands on the idea that Gastor is the creator or stage manger of the game, seeing that his name is the game.
Toriel is an anagram of Retiel which kinda looks like retail which kinda looks like Re-Tail from Animal Crossing. Is Toriel an Animal Crossing villager? I THINK DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT CONFIRMED!!! SHE IS ALSO A GOAT, AND GOATS EXIST IN ANIMAL CROSSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's you, that's what you sound like.
Last edited by Cheggf; Oct 18, 2015 @ 3:47pm
Shayura Oct 18, 2015 @ 5:33pm 
This Gaster stuff is just getting rediculous at this point. I get there are references in the game but they're also only accessible by screwing with the files. Something not everyone knows how to do nor everyone would be inclined to do. I still think it's just some plot material Toby left out but didn't delete, fans found it and ran with it. I have to agree with Mettaton, above, it feels like people are just reaching and making a bunch of assumptions because they "need" it to mean something because they're hoping it'll lead to a better ending that just isn't there. Well, if it's fun for them to do, then more power to them, I just highly doubt there's anything to the Gaster business other than unused assets, I could be wrong.. but I doubt it.
Cheggf Oct 18, 2015 @ 5:46pm 
Originally posted by Shayura:
Words
We all just need to listen to abc_123_a.
9th🐤Sage Oct 18, 2015 @ 5:49pm 
It might not mean anything, but given how many other small things this game has that end up affecting the game in some way despite not seeming as though they would, who knows? At the very least, I'm glad people are having fun with this...it's pretty fun to speculate.
Blu Oct 18, 2015 @ 6:44pm 
It's far from ridiculous to think that Gaster is a jumble for stager, plenty of other examples in the game of jumbled names. Coupling that with all of the actual facts and evidence of Gaster, makes plenty of sense that Gaster is behind everything.
< >
Showing 1-13 of 13 comments
Per page: 1530 50

Date Posted: Oct 18, 2015 @ 1:15am
Posts: 13