Taking a Soul? (spoilers

[sirjomb]

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So, during the game you go through Waterfall, which has a lot of texts about the war between humans and monsters, and how monsters can take human souls, but monster's souls cannot persist after death with the exception of Boss Monster souls. We do see the souls of characters like Toriel and Asgore persist for a few moments before shattering. The thing I find odd is that some of the text mentions the concept of a human taking a Monster's soul, but that it has never happend and then "it never will". I'm assuming the final part of that implies the seperation of humans of monsters making it so no human would be in a position to take one, but it seems odd that they'd put that detail in and yet never make anything of it.

[R3sistance]

What Flowey says after you kill Toriel on a genocide run...
"Even more powerful than you and your stolen soul", which suggests either you stole Toriel's soul or.... Flowey knows about Chara but I'd go with the former.

[Tenor Sounds]

Originally posted by R3sistance:

What Flowey says after you kill Toriel on a genocide run...
"Even more powerful than you and your stolen soul", which suggests either you stole Toriel's soul or.... Flowey knows about Chara but I'd go with the former.

I always took that to mean that Chara has stolen Frisk's/The Player's soul.

[sirjomb]

Originally posted by R3sistance:

What Flowey says after you kill Toriel on a genocide run...
"Even more powerful than you and your stolen soul", which suggests either you stole Toriel's soul or.... Flowey knows about Chara but I'd go with the former.

I'm actually going for the latter, since Toriel's soul shatters.

[Pizzarugi]

Originally posted by sirjomb:

Originally posted by R3sistance:

What Flowey says after you kill Toriel on a genocide run...
"Even more powerful than you and your stolen soul", which suggests either you stole Toriel's soul or.... Flowey knows about Chara but I'd go with the former.

I'm actually going for the latter, since Toriel's soul shatters.

So does Asgore's, yet you still manage to escape the barrier during the neutral ending.

So you either took back Asgore's soul after defeating Flowey (only option, if you choose to spare him) or you took Asriel/Flowey's soul after killing him.

If shattering hearts mean little to a soul's death, then you can very easily steal Toriel's soul during a genocide run.

[brickey.8]

Originally posted by T Fur 2 Pizzarugi:

Originally posted by sirjomb:

I'm actually going for the latter, since Toriel's soul shatters.

So does Asgore's, yet you still manage to escape the barrier during the neutral ending.

So you either took back Asgore's soul after defeating Flowey (only option, if you choose to spare him) or you took Asriel/Flowey's soul after killing him.

If shattering hearts mean little to a soul's death, then you can very easily steal Toriel's soul during a genocide run.

Do you escape? I thought the neutral ending was kinda ambiguous, and my first assumption was actually that it was bad; Flowey teleported you to some inaccessible private location to fight you, and never bothered to teleport you back so you're stuck there. After all, the epilogue is always delivered by people who don't know if you really made it out or not and can only hope you're somewhere good (or not, in the really bad endings). And the first time you get the best neutral ending, Flowey taunts you that even after all that thing still ended badly for you.

edit: Actually that might make for a good topic on its own.