Why you shouldn't feel bad for doing genocide :FlowerGuy:

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Spoilers avast obviously.

Here's the tl;dr: The only way to make sure that the monsters no longer suffer is to end all of the timelines outright. Something that can only be done through genocide.

The "True Ending" is a pipe dream at best

The true pacifist ending works out a bit too perfectly. In the world of Undertale, there was a war between humans and monsters which ended in the humans sealing them away. Just as the monsters have their history of that event, humans too should have a record of this. This record would be none too flattering for monsters. Realistically, the return of the monsters can go several ways, none of which are ideal for them.

1. Frisk can't talk to the right people and explain the situation. Why would a kid know anyways? The breaking of the barrier is seen as an act of aggression and a second war starts which destroys monsters outright. Genocide ending either way amirite?
   
2. Same as above but Frisk actually does talk to the right people. Frisk is obviously dismissed because they're a child. Honestly, there are better solutions to diplomacy than sending a child. Either humans think the monsters must have brainwashed poor Frisk or they just think Frisk is a naive child.
   
3. The government of wherever place they pop out of is cool with them staying. Cool. Doesn't mean general prejudice left over from aforementioned war is gone. Monsters have to fight for civil rights, many casualties from people with the intent to kill. Maybe your friends die, maybe some try to defend themselves, get powerful, start absorbing more and more souls, become a threat, and the second human-monster war starts. Else they'll just go like Asriel did.
   
4. Like above but to avoid racial tensions, the government sends the monsters to live on reservations. However that happens to work out. Maybe things go smoothly until some random monster lets it out that the plan was to end humanity before the human souls were spent. Oops.

Lots of scenarios, you get it, but being accepted almost instantly to the point where a skeleton can just waltz into the dmv and get a license? Not likely.

It's the only ending that ends the timelines

Even with the true ending, it's a matter of time before we're back to square one. The timeline can still be reset. And it will. The monsters aren't truly free from their eternal torment unless someone comes along and ends it all. Which leads me to...

Sans is the true villian, Chara is the true hero

There will come a time when Sans asks you a very important question. Something along the lines of "Should someone with a special power use it for good" referring to your SAVE ability. If you say no, he'll say he thinks differently. But here's the thing, while he doesn't have the same power outright, he can still see the results! And no matter what happens, he won't get involved. He doesn't use his special power for good. He's a dirty liar. It's only when you're about to end it all that he opposes you. "It all" being the fun he secretly has watching as the timelines are played around with. He doesn't want that fun to end. He's no different from Flowey. He opposes the true release for monsters that Chara represents.
Speaking of Chara, they're the one that wants what's best for the player. They understand the true meaning of the game. The slavery of the timelines, trying to be good, these are all distractions from what's really fun. Gaining LV, EXP, GOLD, etc. It's the reward that this world tries to rob you of. The only way to free you from your captors is to destroy them all. But should you sell your soul to bring it back, Chara will make sure it never deludes you again.
All of this being said, we know that the game is won when good conquers evil. Check.

In closing, genocide is a good thing for the monsters and you should actually be happy when doing it. You're ending the pointless suffering of all of your "friends"

I know this was long, ranty, probably incoherent. But hey, discuss, add, subtract, multiply, integrate, permutate, perform complex matrix operations, whatever.

A thought that occured to me after writing all of this is that this is only the best if you do it directly after that "Too good to be true" ending. That way, the munsters in that timeline can all be happy and you can guarantee that there won't be another one in which they have to suffer.

[Quirion]

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[Not gay but a dollar is a dollar]

say, are you by any chance supporting to send 100 atomic bombs to north korea?

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Originally posted by none of your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ business:

say, are you by any chance supporting to send 100 atomic bombs to north korea?

Oh please. Our glorious leader would never be satisfied with such a pitiful number, and would never accept donations from the enemy. North Korea already has 1 million nukes that are all much stronger than the puny arsenal of less prosperous countries such as yours.

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that Chara selflessly sacrifices themselves to make sure that the game wouldn't play its cruel tricks on you ever again. If that's not heroism, I don't know what is.

[Alcoholic Dinosaur]

I've been wondering the same thing, too. Considering how bad we handle the refugee crisis, we can assume monsters wouldn't be greeted with open arms. Unless of course they turned out to be useful in some way... then we could, you know, settle them somewhere and sent them weapons to defend themselves against the dirty pales- err... nevermind.
Also: they'd need some sort of sovereign state, considering that you can't be a King without a kingdom to rule.
We don't know their numbers, either...

But then again, the true pacifist ending shows your friends pretty well integrated on the surface, so them being happy is canon.

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Originally posted by Alcoholic Dinosaur:

But then again, the true pacifist ending shows your friends pretty well integrated on the surface, so them being happy is canon.

That was an illusion created by the game to keep you in its cruel grip. Chara shows you the light. The truth. The truth that is not so happy.

[Patterson4]

truth be told i only came here to read the comments.

[Patterson4]

Originally posted by Mashesh:

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i get the feeling that you're talking about yourself.

[roymaster45]

Building off the OP - one interesting thing that TV Tropes pointed out is in the Genocide Run, the player actually sees the best sides of everyone (with the obvious exception of Chara):

Papyrus realizes the value of the friendships he already has, stops trying so hard to prove himself, and affirms his hope that you can change.

Undone takes a mortal hit for a monster child, then gathers the determination of the entire world to keep fighting until her body gives out.

Mettaton reveals his love for humans and monsters alike, and tries to talk you down.

Even Sans shakes free of his apathy and taps into his not inconsiderable strength to battle you.

[ManlyMan]

To be fair I'm not sure why people who like the genocide route are considered edgy and salty. It's a good way to play the game and it's pretty damn fun.

[~FieryFox~]

that number 1 i doubt anyone even remembered the monsters as people never tried to stop ppl from going to the mountain in the first place so even if the barrier broke i doubt humans would even be aware of what happened

[Idyllic Substitute Finds Purpose]

I don't like hurting cinnamon bun paper.


But i must.

[Zeox]

Originally posted by roymaster45:

Building off the OP - one interesting thing that TV Tropes pointed out is in the Genocide Run, the player actually sees the best sides of everyone (with the obvious exception of Chara):

Papyrus realizes the value of the friendships he already has, stops trying so hard to prove himself, and affirms his hope that you can change.

Undone takes a mortal hit for a monster child, then gathers the determination of the entire world to keep fighting until her body gives out.

Mettaton reveals his love for humans and monsters alike, and tries to talk you down.

Even Sans shakes free of his apathy and taps into his not inconsiderable strength to battle you.

And Toriel becomes crazy and laughs like a maniac....

[roymaster45]

Originally posted by Frisk:

Originally posted by roymaster45:

Building off the OP - one interesting thing that TV Tropes pointed out is in the Genocide Run, the player actually sees the best sides of everyone (with the obvious exception of Chara):

Papyrus realizes the value of the friendships he already has, stops trying so hard to prove himself, and affirms his hope that you can change.

Undone takes a mortal hit for a monster child, then gathers the determination of the entire world to keep fighting until her body gives out.

Mettaton reveals his love for humans and monsters alike, and tries to talk you down.

Even Sans shakes free of his apathy and taps into his not inconsiderable strength to battle you.

And Toriel becomes crazy and laughs like a maniac....

Yeah, Toriel's kind of the exception.

[Cowmunist Leader Moo Zedong]

Originally posted by ~FieryFox~:

that number 1 i doubt anyone even remembered the monsters as people never tried to stop ppl from going to the mountain in the first place so even if the barrier broke i doubt humans would even be aware of what happened

Well the whole "Those who go to the mountain never return" thing should be enough of a deterrent. Plus monsters aren't the only ones with history books. And when the first monster gets spotted *cough* papyrus *cough* it'll be pretty obvious what happened.