*SPOILERS* how could asriel befriend chara?

[Sunk Cost Fallacy]

i still refuse to believe a good child like asriel befriended chara, let alone dreemurr family treated him like their own son, wasnt it obvious he was an evil piece of garbage child, was asriel too dumb to even notice? or was chara pretending to be good all along?

[Tighty-Whitey]

Uuuuuuh...... Who knows ????

[Igƞis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDDOHecUBI

[Daimoknight]

Maybe Chara wasn't an evil child while they were alive in the underground? Maybe Asriel really wanted a friend? Who knows.

[Seraphita]

Originally posted by Daimoknight:

Maybe Chara wasn't an evil child while they were alive in the underground? Maybe Asriel really wanted a friend? Who knows.

This. Chara didn't use to be evil... It was a shy and kind child. Asriel on the other hand lost it because of how violent humans were. Who knows... maybe Chara became evil because of what humans did to Asriel who just wanted to make Chara happy. Humans are the real monsters...

[Sunk Cost Fallacy]

Originally posted by Sera:

Originally posted by Daimoknight:

Maybe Chara wasn't an evil child while they were alive in the underground? Maybe Asriel really wanted a friend? Who knows.

This. Chara didn't use to be evil... It was a shy and kind child. Asriel on the other hand lost it because of how violent humans were. Who knows... maybe Chara became evil because of what humans did to Asriel who just wanted to make Chara happy. Humans are the real monsters...

do you have any straight proof that chara was kind and shy before being absorbed by asriel?
if so id like to see it

[Seraphita]

Originally posted by Issac Schneider:

Originally posted by Sera:

This. Chara didn't use to be evil... It was a shy and kind child. Asriel on the other hand lost it because of how violent humans were. Who knows... maybe Chara became evil because of what humans did to Asriel who just wanted to make Chara happy. Humans are the real monsters...

do you have any straight proof that chara was kind and shy before being absorbed by asriel?
if so id like to see it

Photo taken by I would guess Toriel or Asgore. Actually wait, I think they were in the pic... Probably a close friend like Sans or you know, one of the other ones. You can see Chara and Asriel together posting a little for the pic and trust me, Chara doesn't look like anyone who would erase the world back then. In fact, even in the story told by monsters, they tell about how happy they all were together or something. Chara unfortunately died to a sickness or can't remember.

In an attempt to bring his body back to humans, Asriel was savagely attacked by humans but he didn't do anything. He instead died in his own castle. That is of course Asriel's story but if you look at it and after what is told of Chara's friendship with Asriel who himself felt deep emotions for who he thought was Chara at first, I think everything comes together quite nicely.

Unfortunately there is no hint after that that Chara cares as much for Asriel but he/she is only seen in Genocide anyway. We can assume anything from there and what I believe is that Chara wants to see everything erased as revenge. Maybe, I dunno. On a side, Asriel just lives his sad life cursed by the loss of his best friend and his own body and emotions...

On the other, Chara just wants to see everything erased forever. And I blame the damn humans.

[Crystalitar]

Originally posted by Issac Schneider:

Originally posted by Sera:

This. Chara didn't use to be evil... It was a shy and kind child. Asriel on the other hand lost it because of how violent humans were. Who knows... maybe Chara became evil because of what humans did to Asriel who just wanted to make Chara happy. Humans are the real monsters...

do you have any straight proof that chara was kind and shy before being absorbed by asriel?
if so id like to see it

It is said that when Chara got accepted into the familty the whole Underground had hopes. I doubt that chara would still be as loved and accepted if they were purely evil. It's a kid. Who tried to kill themselves by going to MT Ebot. Asriel knows why Chara did it, not for a happy reason. Chara must have had some hope with the acceptance of monsters. The monsters had no reason t accept, but still did. Chara resulted into helping the monsters by sacrificing themselves because they felt miserable anyway about their own life. the creepy face never was mentioned to be a smiling one..it could also be a face filled with desperation and a bleak out look. and probably becoming sarcastic beacuse of it.

[Seraphita]

Originally posted by Crystalitar - NYEH:

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Hmm, that's an interesting version of the story. I guess I was a bit wrong about a few things. Still doesn't change my opinion that Chara was never evil back then and whatever the case is, I still blame the damn humans... They look like they did nothing good at all in Undertale. Not speaking of the kids who died in the underground, anyway. Talking of the trash likes who attacked Asriel.

[LordCoffee]

I would say pity because he/she basically fell down into an inescapable realm blocked off by a barrier, so they looked over Chara's strange behaviours. Also, other then his parents I didn't see Asriel have any connection to any other known monsters in the game meaning that Chara was basically his only non-genetic friend, so I think Chara was his only chance of having a friend that were not his parents, or he did have other friends and it was just the pity thing but that's all I got.

[Sunk Cost Fallacy]

Originally posted by Sera:

Originally posted by Issac Schneider:

do you have any straight proof that chara was kind and shy before being absorbed by asriel?
if so id like to see it

Photo taken by I would guess Toriel or Asgore. Actually wait, I think they were in the pic... Probably a close friend like Sans or you know, one of the other ones. You can see Chara and Asriel together posting a little for the pic and trust me, Chara doesn't look like anyone who would erase the world back then. In fact, even in the story told by monsters, they tell about how happy they all were together or something. Chara unfortunately died to a sickness or can't remember.

In an attempt to bring his body back to humans, Asriel was savagely attacked by humans but he didn't do anything. He instead died in his own castle. That is of course Asriel's story but if you look at it and after what is told of Chara's friendship with Asriel who himself felt deep emotions for who he thought was Chara at first, I think everything comes together quite nicely.

Unfortunately there is no hint after that that Chara cares as much for Asriel but he/she is only seen in Genocide anyway. We can assume anything from there and what I believe is that Chara wants to see everything erased as revenge. Maybe, I dunno. On a side, Asriel just lives his sad life cursed by the loss of his best friend and his own body and emotions...

On the other, Chara just wants to see everything erased forever. And I blame the damn humans.

uhhh you do realize chara became sick ON PURPOSE, did you even go to true lab? chara was planning to suicide all along, asriel didnt like his plan but went with it, chara poisoned himself with buttercup flowers and died, asriel absorbed his soul and became a beast, he then crossed the barrier while carrying chara dead soul-less body to their village in the surface, though both chara and asriel had split control over the beast body they transformed into, chara was trying to kill the humans in the village, while asriel controling the other half of the beast resisted doing that, resulting in the villagers injuring them, they returned to the underground and died.

[Seraphita]

I missed a few details, I have an issue with my memory. I don't really remember the part where Chara wanted to kill the humans though. All it said was that Asriel wanted to bring the human back to where he/she belongs and while Asriel had the power to counter-attack the humans who were already attacking him because they thought he killed the child, he didn't.

I still blame the humans if Chara ever wanted to kill the humans because they are real monsters.

[Sunk Cost Fallacy]

Originally posted by Sera:

I missed a few details, I have an issue with my memory. I don't really remember the part where Chara wanted to kill the humans though. All it said was that Asriel wanted to bring the human back to where he/she belongs and while Asriel had the power to counter-attack the humans who were already attacking him because they thought he killed the child, he didn't.

I still blame the humans if Chara ever wanted to kill the humans because they are real monsters.

you literally just took the story from the monsters in asgore castle during the neutral route, have you ever played pacifist before? because in pacifist, asriel admits that chara hates humanity and wanted to kill the villagers, also in a video tape in the true lab it is revelead that chara came up with a plan to poison himself with buttercup flowers and die so that asriel can absorb his soul and turn into a beast, then cross the barrier and collect 6 more human souls to destroy the barrier, but since asriel at the end of pacifist admitted that chara hated humanity, its plausiable that chara lied to asriel about destroying the barrier and only wanted his soul to be absorbed by asriel so he can became a beast and kill all humanity and not collect 6 souls like he promised..

[LBI]

Is 'cause charas a devious bieeeeeeeeech
(no really I do actually think she's a devious bich)

[Seraphita]

Again, memory thing. I played pacifist twice so far, no need to be like this. If you know so much however, I am really curious about what you're truly asking about. Also surprised you didn't reply to Crystalitar who had it a little closer to your version of the story.

I still hold to the fact of what the monsters told me of the story (and I just got to end the pacifist neutral ending again). Asriel left to bring Chara back to the humans, was attacked by humans and returned to die back inside the castle. He had the power to fight back but he didn't.

Also I kinda answered the question of your thread by stating that the monsters' story tell exactly what I said by "they were a happy family and chara was treated like their own child." Asriel seemed to be happy being with Chara as well until Chara died. Not sure what's wrong there.

The monsters even tell in their story how devastated everyone was about chara's death. Hint.

[Sunk Cost Fallacy]

My question here is how did dreemurr family think chara was good, he was obviously evil, so yes in short I want to know if he was a kind child during his times with Asriel or just plain evil without Asriel and dreemurr's knowing it yet, yes at first I thought he was good but when I listened to the true lab tapes I learned he was planning to suicide all along so that Asriel absorbs his soul and thus he becomes a beast that can cross the barrier, in case you didn't know, Asriel wasn't the one that carried chara body to their village, it was chara who was controlling half the beast body, when they arrived chara wanted to kills the humans, but Asriel who was controlling the other half of the beast refused to fight the humans, so the moral here is that chara is not kind or good,
1. He hates humanity as Asriel mentioned
2. He intended to kill the humans in the village not for the purpose of collecting souls
3. He laughed at asgore when he ate the poisoned pie and became ill, who would laugh at such horrible moment?

So yes chara is evil, but how did he became best friends with Asriel even though he was evil? That was my question.