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It's also very weird that Sans seems to be one of- if not the most powerful monster in the game. That could also theoretically tie back to the human theory since humans are allegedly supposed to be very powerful compared to monsters, and Sans seems a lot more powerful than any other monster.
Also in the demo of the game. If you do a complete pacifist route it will show sans drinking something and you can clearly see it passing right through his body
Ok this wont be just about Sans because to explain Sans i'm going to need to explain a butt load of other stuff, so stay with me till the end.
First off, Sans is most certainly a human, the more i look at him the more certain i am.
Now on to the story...
Sans fell down into the underground somewhere before Gaster fell into the Core. Sans died upon hitting the ground, Gaster, who was experimenting with Determination "revived" (injecting his body with DETERMINATION) Sans, but his SOUL had vanished. Gaster, now stuck with a souless human, hid Sans. Sans, now having Determination, worked with Gaster on the TIMELINES to go back in time, for some reason that remains unknown. Chara, the other fallen human died unexpectedly, Asriel died shortly after. Gaster, still experimenting with Determination, injected the golden flower with Determination, resulting in Asriel coming back as a Flower. (Say what you will that Alphys was the one that did that, it never says she did). Flowey, enraged by the fact the Sans was alive and Chara wasn't, took away what family Sans had, Papyrus and Gaster. "Flowey", pushed Gaster off the core and then took away any memories Papyrus had (resulting in pap acting like he is still a little kid and him having very little knowledge of anything). Flowey then made Sans suffer through numerous resets while Sans had to fight to keep his identity a secret (Sans has had so much practice with it that its almost impossible for anyone to notice, especially if you've never seen a human). Sans lost his determination slowly over time and his hp went lower and lower.
Now this is basically Sans story, don't worry its not official, what i wrote above isn't set in stone.
Now time to explain ♥♥♥♥.
San's blood.
There is no possible way for the blood to be ketchup. IF it were, it would have vanished upon hitting his empty skeleton, AND it would have brought his hp back up (I'm talking about if Sans stored ketchup in his coat). AND if you are talking about the ketchup he ate earlier, well like i said, it wouldn't be there. Dont give me that crap on how it was the marrow from his bones or how its pure Determination. 1. Pap didn't bleed so there goes the marrow AND it wouldn't be pure Determination because he didn't melt.
Skeletons dont eat.
Pap doesnt eat, proof? All the uneaten spaghetti in the fridge. Undyne's quote,"But you don't even have a stomach!", sounds to me like u need a stomach to eat monster food, so Sans wouldn't even have been able to drink the ketchup or eat the chips, ketchup theory has been blown to dust. AND Pap HIMSELF said,"No ones ever liked my spaghetti". Sounds like he hasn't actually tried it himself, odd, wouldn't you try your own cooking?
Skeletons don't feel pain.
Pap didn't flinch even after you cut his head off but Sans shows visible signs of torment when you cut him, he even LIMPS away.
Sans sleeps.
Pap obviously does only what we call naps, twenty minutes at most he would sleep. And Undyne even says,"Call him, at night, day, afternoon, morning, he ALWAYS answers the phone.", sounds to me like sleep doesn't happen for him.
Sans stops referring to Pap as his bro at the end of the Pac Run.
Sans says quote on quote,"We call that,'The Sun', my friend. Notice how he says, my friend instead of, bro. Why? I think Sans is finally accepting being a human. Notice he also says,'we'. I know that Undyne knows what the sun is so i wont say that he is the only one, i just found those two phrases odd.
Sans remembers EVERY reset.
No one can EXACTLY guess how many times you've died by your expression, SRSLY, NO ONE is that good, its impossible.
Why Sans cant really count (numbers).
He fell at such a young age that he can only remember a few numbers. And i think Gaster just focused on his education with science.
Why he wont take over the resets.
He doesn't have enough Determination. Never had, never will and i think Gaster had control of the resets before Flowey came along.
Why he can use magic.
It has nothing to do with the no soul thing, he is still human. So that means humans CAN use magic, yes u heard me. Now, what is the barrier made of? Magic. Now, how can a non-magical being create a magical barrier. It cant. The books in the underground just said that humans could never use magic to the full extent. This now goes to my monsters were created by humans theory. (yes i need to explain this for the next point on Sans to make any sense).
Monsters were created by humans.
Dont monsters show a rather strong connection to surface creatures? Froggett, Asgro, Undyne, EVERYONE shows SOME kind of connection to the surface. A determinated fish, a lovable goat, a happy skeleton, a smart lizard, a greedy spider, a warm flame, a shy ghost. Everyone can be called something else than a monster. So, what if humans, something that coudnt use magic to the full extent made something that could. Asgro, a monster that lived in the human world before the war, taught Undyne and then Undyne, taught Papyrus. What do each of their attacks have in common? They are in COLOR (the blind dog doesn't count). Asgro's weapon, Undynes spears, Paprus's blue attacks. Each of them have been taught HUMAN magic attacks. Asriels attacks become colorful after he has the HUMAN souls but he himself never changes from the monster black and white. Omega Flowey is in color because he is using the human souls to become something he is not. Asriel, is still a monster no matter how many human souls he has. So this means, everything in COLOR in "Fight Mode", is human related, right? On to my next point.
Sans blood is in color.
Now, your asking, "If Sans is human, then why isn't he in color? Well because, you always see Sans. You never see the person behind the mask, you never see beyond those clothes. Whenever he shows you his REAL self is through his eye, through his blood.
Why when the barrier was broken, you didn't see seven human souls.
He doesn't have a soul. At least a whole one.
Why does Sans love Papyrus if he has no soul.
SOULESS being only care about those who they truly love, aka. Flowey who loved Chara even after his soul disappeared, and Flowey still has a Soul, as shown in the Pacifist Run. So Sans probably still has a soul like Flowey, just its pushed so deep inside him that it appears he doesn't have one. So Sans may love his bro but not enough to actually stop him from dying, but enough to call you out for killing him and even going so far as to insult you. This may explain why Flowey hates that Sans is always smiling even after Gaster died, Sans never truly loved Gaster so his death didnt affect him, and Flowey cant actually take Sans out.
Why you never see Sans body when you kill him, and what the sound was.
First, that sound you heard isn't the sound you get when a monster dies. They may sound similar enough but its actually the exact sound you get when u SPARE something.
As for his body. Remember when Toriel hid behind the pillar in the Ruins? Yea, pillars, there's a bunch of them in Judgement Hall.
And as for you actually killing Sans, well guess what?! Your kill count never increased when you "killed" him, as for why you got EXP when you "killed" him, Chara says,"EXP. HP. ATTACK. DEFENSE. LOVE. ETC., whenever a number INCREASES, that FEELING. That's me. Chara". EXP is NOT, and i repeat NOT, an actual thing, it is a FEELING. Thats why when you check the pillars Chara says nothing, he has no need to, Chara is convinced Sans is dead. That is why you got EXP, you didn't have to see him die, you just had to get that feeling. AND the "kill count", could just be for monsters only, that would explain why it didnt increase if Sans truely is dead.
Well if Sans had been around when Totriel was, why didn't he know her already?
He did. When Tori says,"Its nice to finally meet you!" Sans replys with,"Uh...yea, same.", Its as if he knows her *scary music plays in background*. No but srsly, he knows her.
An explaintion to Sans sparing you dialogue.
Here's a flashback for all you noobs.
"i know you didn't answer me before, but... somewhere in there. i can feel it. there's a glimmer of a good person inside of you."
the memory of someone who once wanted to do the right thing. someone who, in another time, might have even been... a friend?
c'mon, buddy. do you remember me? please, if you're listening... let's forget all of this, ok? just lay down your weapon, and... well, my job will be a lot easier."
What you just read was normal dialogue, right? Well what got me thinking was this little quote,"do you remember me?", whats to remember? The Pacifist Run? I had done the Geno Run without doing the Pacifist first so... if it wasn't the P Run, then what? Well so far, Sans knows you aren't human, like Flowey, someone who knew Chara. So what if, he knew you were Chara as well. What if that,"other time", was the time Sans was friends with Chara. What if Sans was calling out to Chara and not YOU, the player. I think he was. But the dialogue when you spare Sans, oh that got me thinking.
"... you're sparing me? finally. buddy. pal. i know how hard it must be... to make that choice. to go back on everything you've worked up to. i want you to know... i won't let it go to waste. ... c'mere, pal."
What was Chara working up to? How was that choice hard? Then, while i as playing Undertale, it hit me. When does Asriel get his soul back? When he has the value of seven human souls. THAT was what Chara wanted, their SOUL back. They were working toward that with Frisk's help. Power. The power to become a GOD. The Power to bring someones soul back to life, that power, that's what Chara wanted. Now i could go on this huge rant about Chara but ill hold off on that for now, I've gone on long enough.
The demo of Undertale.
Sans is shown to be drinking a soda and then it goes straight through him. Now ill remind all of you, this was the demo, Toby could have changed it before he released the full game. BUT that ketchup in Undertale would have done the same as the drink if this were true (ive already said that skeletons don't eat), and i think Toby knows that, that why you see Sans drink the ketchup, it should be a HUGE blue stop sign for us, to stop and think that something is definitely different.
Please tell me if i missed anything, opinions are welcomed. And please ecuse my grammar, i was in a hurry.
now recall how sans presents himself "sans the skeleton" meaning "without the skeleton"
In Hotland Wario and Waluigi got enough of Rick and they pushed him to lava. And because they were dumb, they got killed by lasers. Wario died while running to blue lasers and Waluigi stand like cool of orange ones so they died.
But because world was so evil they didn't die and they became skeletons. And Rick became skeleton too. Then "Rick" adopted "Wario" and "Waluigi" so they became family: Gaster, Sans and Papyrus.
Some time later Gaster teach Sans science and Papyrus how to cook Spagetti. Few moths later Gaster fell to core and died. Sans became so sad he got determination of it. Also Papyrus hit his head to fryingpan and lost his memories.
Then all ♥♥♥♥ what happened in Undertale happen. The end.
First off, the story. NO. Sans still has emotions, he isn't emotionless. He clearly is nihilistic, (NOT depressed) as you can see by his fight. "It makes it hard to give it my all."
The story is stupid in the first place and Sans is not a human.
It's ketchup. The color of Sans' "blood" is the same color as the ketchup he drinks, as to say "It's the same." And don't say it's Toby's fault, because Asriel's stripes and Flowey's colors are the same colors, so if something is the same color, it's because Toby did it on purpose.
Of course Papyrus hasn't tried his own cooking, he said so himself at a Q and A for Undertale, all the questions were what Papyrus' favorite food was, and Papyrus says he only cooks it for other people, but since no one else likes his cooking, it piles up in the fridge. It also proves that Papyrus does eat, because Toriel says she packs him lunch and only Flowey knows what Papyrus' favorite food is. That is an official Q and A, by the way. Here: http://undertaleqa.tumblr.com/
Go to the second, sixth, and tenth ones respectively to see that Papyrus does eat.
Okay, so this was actually a tough one, but I have found an answer. Whenever you hit Papyrus, hit face actually does react. Papyrus does his lazy eye thing where his pupils are on opposites sides of his eyes.
You debunked yourself, Papyrus naps, that is still resting and/or sleeping.
There's a magical thing called being happy, seeing the sun must obviously make Sans happy, so his speech would obviously change. About the "We" part, Sans is referring to everyone who does know the word, that means everyone except for Papyrus.
No, he can't. He just makes guesses. He is even wrong once. He says that you are the anomaly, even though it's Flowey. So it is just guesses, and nothing more.
You need to have good math skills, or you would be ♥♥♥♥ as science. Sans just doesn't know because your face is too mad for him to tell the difference between 13 deaths and 100.
Never had DT in the first place.
Yes, a human can use magic, but it corralates with their SOUL color. Like red is DT, or the Power to RESET. Monster Magic relys on their own stuff. Likes (Undyne likes anime, and has spear attacks), what you are (Sans and Papyrus has skeleton attacks, and Froggit has flies), and what you are feeling (Napstablook's tears).
No, everything colored has to do with SOUL colors. Blue attacks is patience, yellow is justice, and so on.
You are wearing clothes, yet everything you do is in full color.
He can still feel though, so he does have a SOUL.
Okay this is all sorts of wrong. Flowey doesn't love Chara. He said it himself "I could never truly love you, Chara." Flowey does not have a SOUL, him turning into Asriel in the True Pacifist ending is him using the other SOUL's compassion for his own gain. And again, he's clearly nihilistic, and he wouldn't be if he didn't care if he is SOULLESS.
EXP is not a feeling. Chara was saying that when your EXP increases, that happiness you get, that feeling is Chara. If Gold was a feeling, which is on the list, then how could you buy stuff? With feeling hugs? About the kill count, that's because Chara got the kill and not you, so your kill count didn't increase. Finally, I tested the sounds of sparing and killing, Sans' death sound is definitely death, and not sparing.
Even in genocide, he calls her "Old Lady" so he doesn't know Toriel. If Sans knows he was fighting a time traveler, then Sans would just call Toriel "Toriel" instead "old lady."
You need more of a flashback then I do.
Because Sans guessed you were friends in another timeline, which is why he said "friend?" instead of "friend." He was hoping he could squash what little pity you had left for him by taking advantage of it.
No. Chara's goal is to destroy humanity.
Okay, so I agree that the demo doesn't tell us much, and disagree with basically everything else.
Sorry I just have to say this; your spelling and grammar sucks.
If Sans was human there would be 7 human souls.
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