Undertale

Undertale

SPOILER question regarding Asriel
This entire post is going to be one big spoiler
If you don't want it to be ruined this is your last chance to click away. Moving on.

So I just beat the game for the 2nd time in True Pacifist. The fist run I was neutral. I killed Flowey at the end, which looking back I thought that was probably the reason why Asriel didn't survive on the second part of that run, when I tried pacifist. So I started again and went True Pacifist for both part of the runs. I spared Asriel and I thought this time I would get the ending where everyone lives and leaves the Underground, and we all got to be a big happy family again.

Except that not what I got.

I'm not sure how else to make everyone survive. I see pictures of him being apart of the ending, but I guess they could be faked. Does anyone know if it's possible to have an ending where everyone (at least all the main characters I mean) live? Thx!
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Gabriel Mar 6, 2016 @ 9:56pm 
Noperino, Asriel always stays back and turns into Flowey
Demi-Fiend from Shin (Banned) Mar 6, 2016 @ 9:57pm 
wat
ToastOfDoom Mar 6, 2016 @ 10:00pm 
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=639842103
Well now I'm sad. I gotta go cry this one out, give me a sec...
Gabriel Mar 6, 2016 @ 10:00pm 
Originally posted by Toast Of Doom:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=639842103
Well now I'm sad. I gotta go cry this one out, give me a sec...
take your time, it's normal :sans:
Last edited by Gabriel; Mar 6, 2016 @ 10:01pm
Thundercracker Mar 6, 2016 @ 10:25pm 
he kinda did a lot of genocide runs. there are consequinces for that...
joliet_jane Apr 30, 2016 @ 7:21pm 
Uhgghhnnn....

He was just a little boy. Toriel is such a nice lady, and her little boy not only died, but is suffering an unimaginable hellish undeath.

And he's a child. Worse than pain. Worse than death. Worse than rape.

It's almost like Toby Fox looked at Claus from Mother 3 and said "You know what? I think I can make a child suffer more than that. Suffer so much that even his mother's love cannot save him."

It's just a game. Just a story. And yet, because I'm playing the game, it actually saddens me that I can't help him. When you're the hero of the game, you're supposed to win, to save everyone. But I think that's the meaning. That in life you can't solve everything by being nice, just like Asriel says.

♥♥♥♥ you Toby.
I mean... you're a genius Toby.
Watkins Sleuth Apr 30, 2016 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by joliet_jane:
Uhgghhnnn....

He was just a little boy. Toriel is such a nice lady, and her little boy not only died, but is suffering an unimaginable hellish undeath.

And he's a child. Worse than pain. Worse than death. Worse than rape.

It's almost like Toby Fox looked at Claus from Mother 3 and said "You know what? I think I can make a child suffer more than that. Suffer so much that even his mother's love cannot save him."

It's just a game. Just a story. And yet, because I'm playing the game, it actually saddens me that I can't help him. When you're the hero of the game, you're supposed to win, to save everyone. But I think that's the meaning. That in life you can't solve everything by being nice, just like Asriel says.

♥♥♥♥ you Toby.
I mean... you're a genius Toby.

You did help him.

Asriel's two major problems were firstly that he was trapped in a body that couldn't feel love. No matter what he did and how bad things got he couldn't feel anything towards anyone else. It got to the point where he nearly killed himself becasue he couldn't feel love anymore.

Which lead to his second problem. The fact he was trapped much worse then anyone else. Because of his "Save Point" he could rewind time and live the same days over and over again but that lead to him devolving into a true monster. He stopped seeing people as people and only as things for his amusement. It didn't matter if he broke them or save them. He could simply undo it by returning to his save point. Which is why Flowey was such a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

But you returned his heart to him with the SAVE power and judging from his actions even after he returned to being Flowey he still feels love now. Because he can't stand the though of reliving the game over again, of being the badguy, of becoming a god again.

And as for the second part. He no longer even wants to return to his save point, and with the barrier down he is free to leave the underworld any time he feels strong enough to do so.

Yes he is still a flower. But given that he had died even that is better then simply death. And true he should be with his family again... but given what he has done... the amount of times he murdered everyone... he feels he can't look them in the eye again for what he did.

But personally I wish for a better ending for poor Asriel. And if Toby keeps making games maybe he might get one.
joliet_jane Apr 30, 2016 @ 10:54pm 
Yeah, it's not all bad.
So he's alive for real now, the barrier is broken, humans and monsters at peace, which couldn't have happened without his suffering.

I suppose that's life. You can't get everything that you want. I think that's the meaning of this ending for Asriel. In RPGs you want the feeling of accomplishment from having been a savior. So it's mature for this game to deny you some part that reward. That's not how life is. Asriel even tell you that you should get back to your friends and family or something, and ends with "Don't you have anything better to do?." That message is proabably for us: "leave this game and talk to some real people geez".
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Date Posted: Mar 6, 2016 @ 9:56pm
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