So let's talk ~power levels~.

[Sofia]

I have the unfortunate ability to be surrounded by fans of Undertale that enjoy discussing the power levels of things within settings they enjoy, and Undertale has been the subject of a lot of debate, so I'm here to poll you guys on what you think.

Taking into account that one kid is able to cause the apocalypse for the monster realm (even if we accept that the protagonist is being helped by another, that's still two kids at best), and that it's said that the power of every monster soul can't equal one human soul...

What exactly was Asgore thinking would happen once he broke the seal? Riding out with the power of eight human souls, against a world that, for all we know, has anywhere between a hundred to several millions depending on the scope of the human world.

So I guess my questions are:

1. Do you take "one human > every monster" literally?
2. If so, what was even the point of Asgore's plot?
3. Is the protagonist (apply plural if you want) special in how powerful they are, or are they really representing what every human child is capable of?

[Zeox]

The protagonist have the power of "reset" and "save", with that power, it doesn't matters how strong are the other monsters, since they can reset and try again.
Is not that every single kid can do that, is the fact that the protagonist have those powers... and also, they are very determined.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by Frisk:

The protagonist have the power of "reset" and "save", with that power, it doesn't matters how strong are the other monsters, since they can reset and try again.
Is not that every single kid can do that, is the fact that the protagonist have those powers... and also, they are very determined.

But wasn't it said that that was the power of all humans? That thanks to it, they didn't lose a single life during the war?

[Zeox]

Originally posted by Moemura:

Originally posted by Frisk:

The protagonist have the power of "reset" and "save", with that power, it doesn't matters how strong are the other monsters, since they can reset and try again.
Is not that every single kid can do that, is the fact that the protagonist have those powers... and also, they are very determined.

But wasn't it said that that was the power of all humans? That thanks to it, they didn't lose a single life during the war?

Uhh.... Nope.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by Frisk:

Originally posted by Moemura:

But wasn't it said that that was the power of all humans? That thanks to it, they didn't lose a single life during the war?

Uhh.... Nope.

But it WAS said pretty explicitely not a single human died during the war against monsters, so even with the power of eight human souls, what would Asgore be able to accomplish against however many humans there are?

[RangedSpider]

Sans power level is 1

[Sofia]

Originally posted by RangedSpider:

Sans power level is 1

As I have found out the hard way, a power level of 1 still hurts if it can hit you a hundred times.

[Zeox]

Originally posted by Moemura:

Originally posted by Frisk:

Uhh.... Nope.

But it WAS said pretty explicitely not a single human died during the war against monsters, so even with the power of eight human souls, what would Asgore be able to accomplish against however many humans there are?

No, never said that in any part of the game, if every human could save and reset, then how Asgore have 6 human souls?

[Sofia]

Originally posted by Frisk:

Originally posted by Moemura:

But it WAS said pretty explicitely not a single human died during the war against monsters, so even with the power of eight human souls, what would Asgore be able to accomplish against however many humans there are?

No, never said that in any part of the game, if every human could save and reset, then how Asgore have 6 human souls?

It IS in the game. There's a wall plate in the water area that explicitely says 'not a single human soul was lost during the war'. I'm not talking about save/reset anymore, just about the fact it seems unlikely to get Asgore anywhere to have the power of eight humans when there's countless out there.

[wifeburger]

I'm more concerned about the True Pacifist ending. Knowing how weak the monsters are compared to the humans, it wouldn't suprise me if there was some kind of racial dispute the moment the Monsters made their presence known. We all know what happened to the "black" people when the "whites" thought they were weaker than them. So why wouldn't it happen to the Monsters either? After all, Undyne has shown herself to be pretty strong, she would make an excellent slave.

[Papa Crust]

Originally posted by Moemura:

Originally posted by Frisk:

No, never said that in any part of the game, if every human could save and reset, then how Asgore have 6 human souls?

It IS in the game. There's a wall plate in the water area that explicitely says 'not a single human soul was lost during the war'. I'm not talking about save/reset anymore, just about the fact it seems unlikely to get Asgore anywhere to have the power of eight humans when there's countless out there.

You know that he killed humans one by one? I'm pretty sure a boss monster has enough power to defeat one human.Especially a child.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by Bones Have Been Rattled:

Originally posted by Moemura:

It IS in the game. There's a wall plate in the water area that explicitely says 'not a single human soul was lost during the war'. I'm not talking about save/reset anymore, just about the fact it seems unlikely to get Asgore anywhere to have the power of eight humans when there's countless out there.

You know that he killed humans one by one? I'm pretty sure a boss monster has enough power to defeat one human.Especially a child.

Originally posted by Monsker:

I'm more concerned about the True Pacifist ending. Knowing how weak the monsters are compared to the humans, it wouldn't suprise me if there was some kind of racial dispute the moment the Monsters made their presence known. We all know what happened to the "black" people when the "whites" thought they were weaker than them. So why wouldn't it happen to the Monsters either? After all, Undyne has shown herself to be pretty strong, she would make an excellent slave.

Strong really depends on your perspective, she still loses to a child.

[Fily]

I think the moderators have a power level that is way too high for them

[Crystalitar]

1. Do you take "one human > every monster" literally?
- no, just, lots and lots of monsters.

2. If so, what was even the point of Asgore's plot?
- when he gained the 7 human souls he could break the barrier, however these souls dont neccesarily need to be "used" and can still be present. So Asgore absorbed the 7 human souls, breaks barrier, and then plans to all powerfull wipe out all humans.
Remember, asriel used all monster souls and the 6 and also broke the barrier while all monster souls are still intact and brought back.

3. Is the protagonist (apply plural if you want) special in how powerful they are, or are they really representing what every human child is capable of?
- i see them special, as i believe chara's presence enables the natural determination to be stronger in power and thus enables their save and reset power. Its above the norm of the body. Just like Flowey.
I don't believe all humans to be able to do that, all the previous fallen have died as well.

[dat_potatoe]

I think the supposed power level is yet another subtle jab at typical RPG tropes. In every RPG the Hero just absolutely slaughters all basic monsters with pretty much no effort. How many hundreds of monsters have you killed by the end of any RPG game?

Ignoring that...

-The signs could be propaganda. It seems highly unlikely that not even a single human was harmed.

-I think Frisk is unique in their power. If every human could manipulate time then how would reality even exist? Timelines would be shifting every other minute.

-The point of Asgore's plot...a combined human and monster soul is extremely powerful. If he distributed human souls to every member of his army, then perhaps humans having more numbers wouldn't even matter.