Is Asriel a sadist?

[Space Brick]

spoilers

In the genocide route in asgore's house flowey tells us about his past and how he tried to go to asgore and toriel when he first came back, and how he was unable to feel compassion and whatnot. And then he sorta lost his value of life and everything and became the empty psychopath we see in the beginning of the game.

But the way he behaves throughout the pacifist run doesn't quite make sense if that's how his head is supposed to work. I mean he lost his ability to feel "love" or compassion or whatever you call it. But he clearly still feels things like happiness, satisfaction, anger, fear. Especially in the Omega Flowey fight where he is obviously more than pleased with his newfound power. And is excited to torture Frisk for however long he wants. He flaunts his abilities and taunts the player about their unfortunate situation and everything. Though he never said anything about becoming completely evil, just that he can't feel love.

If Asriel only lost the ability to feel compassion, then where did all these malevolent feelings come from? Was he acting it all out out of boredom? Or was he just always a person that enjoyed watching people suffer?

[The_Technomancer]

I'm sure he was acting out of boredom before he took the souls since he knows nothing really matters. He can do whatever he wants but any progress he makes, whether it's good or bad, doesn't mean anything so what's the point in trying to help someone when they'll be back in the same situation again. Why do that when you can go ruin someone's life and kill people just to experience everything you could never bring yourself to do before? When he gained control of the timelines with the determination alphys put in the flower he could try and help everyone, but it could just be reset so being able to destroy everything with the power to reset it at any point would make just about anyone want to try all the things they never could before.

Now as for Omega flower, he did have 6 human souls in him then. While he couldn't feel happiness before because he was lacking a soul, with the souls of 6 people with him he's should have the emotions of 6 people as well making the joy of tormenting you for all of eternity about 6 times as great. However he was just the face of that monster, as asriel states when found at the flower bed at the pacifist ending when he took chara's soul their body was being controlled by them both so flowey could easily have been overpowered by the 6 other people in that fight since none of them hated frisk. Flowey had some emotions then and could express them the way he wanted to but he wasn't the only one in control of the body.

[Space Brick]

This game's concept of souls is very confusing

[The_Technomancer]

Originally posted by AI (bot):

This game's concept of souls is very confusing

Especially since it creates a story loophole at the beginning.

[Madi]

well he gets 6 souls as omega flowey, so maybe that could explain that.

[Space Brick]

So souls can assume control of a host who absorbs them if they're not strong enough. Then what made flowey think it was a good idea to absorb six of them? Or even then how did he manage to control the souls of everyone in the underground in his godlike form for so long?

[The_Technomancer]

Originally posted by AI (bot):

So souls can assume control of a host who absorbs them if they're not strong enough. Then what made flowey think it was a good idea to absorb six of them? Or even then how did he manage to control the souls of everyone in the underground in his godlike form?

The concept of consuming and controlling souls isn't explained much but at least we know it's it's like multiple people controlling one body, possibly in the sense of octodad multiplayer though not as silly, or maybe it's a more brain vs body type scenario the consumer is the brain and tells the other parts of the body what to do and can use them but the rest of the body has minds of it's own. Plus when taking all the monster souls remember that monsters are far weaker than humans so contrlling them is about 100 times easier to do than a human soul.

[Space Brick]

My head hurts

[Space Brick]

I'm not so sure that he was acting out his evil persona. I feel like he would have mentioned something about that in his true form.

[Madi]

Originally posted by AI (bot):

I'm not so sure that he was acting out his evil persona. I feel like he would have mentioned something about that in his true form.

i mean he did, slightly, when he said he no longer wants to destroy the world, and that what he did was really terrible, but also as flowey he mentions doing it out of boredom, so . . .

[KaZudra]

Originally posted by The_Technomancer:

Originally posted by AI (bot):

This game's concept of souls is very confusing

Especially since it creates a story loophole at the beginning.

Not really, As the Player is the anomally, Flowey and Sans are unique as they address the player directly, as your actions can shape the given timeline, and the loophole was intentional as Flowey knows the player's ability to reset the timeline.

Man the personalized experience and forth-wall breaking of this game are just a part of what makes it so incredibly unique.

[The_Technomancer]

Originally posted by Starchaser:

Originally posted by The_Technomancer:

Especially since it creates a story loophole at the beginning.

Not really, As the Player is the anomally, Flowey and Sans are unique as they address the player directly, as your actions can shape the given timeline, and the loophole was intentional as Flowey knows the player's ability to reset the timeline.

Man the personalized experience and forth-wall breaking of this game are just a part of what makes it so incredibly unique.

Actually I was talking about how it's explained in the librarby that humanshave no magic in their souls but somehow sealed the monsters underground with a MAGICAL barrier. The 4th wall breaking is clever and is what makes it undertale though goes in a category of it's own.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by The_Technomancer:

Originally posted by Starchaser:

Not really, As the Player is the anomally, Flowey and Sans are unique as they address the player directly, as your actions can shape the given timeline, and the loophole was intentional as Flowey knows the player's ability to reset the timeline.

Man the personalized experience and forth-wall breaking of this game are just a part of what makes it so incredibly unique.

Actually I was talking about how it's explained in the librarby that humanshave no magic in their souls but somehow sealed the monsters underground with a MAGICAL barrier. The 4th wall breaking is clever and is what makes it undertale though goes in a category of it's own.

What they mean is humans don't possess magic naturally (which all monsters do), all the bullet hell stuff is "monster magic". Humans can still obtain magic by other means even though human souls aren't naturally attuned to magic.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

What isn't directly stated is that the lore categorizes certain emotions as being positive or negative. Basically, a monster can only feel positive emotions if they have a "monster soul", but they can feel negative emotions whether they have a soul or not.

Flowey lacks compassion because with no monster soul of his own he can't feel positive emotions. He can however still feel negative ones, including fear, anger, and malice because you don't need a soul to feel these kinds of emotions.

(btw . . . this is all indirectly explained by the library book describing how human souls aren't filled with positive emotions, but monster souls are)

When he's Omega Flowey, he only has Human Souls, which do not make monsters feel positive emotions. So his emotional state remains the same.

When he's Asriel again he mostly has monster souls, explaining his sudden ability to feel positive emotions.

[Space Brick]

Well he did absorb Asgore's soul too

[Local Gator Hugger]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

When he's Omega Flowey, he only has Human Souls, which do not make monsters feel positive emotions. So his emotional state remains the same.

When he's Asriel again he mostly has monster souls, explaining his sudden ability to feel positive emotions.

Are you telling me that goat has the compassion of every monster in the underground? Including Jerry?