Sans was right.

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Well, here I go, making another Sans thread that will eventually get lost in the thousands of threads about him, but I think this one is alittle different, because this thread isn't just about him, it's about us.

No, this isn't a theory or a troll, this is an opinon, an opinon that ruined my life 4 years ago and was only brought back by Sans himself.

So, what was Sans so right about?

That life was meaningless. Now, now, don't freak out and start typing in the comments about how stupid or wrong I am, just hear me out.

From religous to atheist, all of you can understand the burden everyone feels, the burden to fill your life with meaning. All of us have thought of it once or twice, "why do we exist and what's my purpose?".

And you know whats the answer to those questions? That it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if you believe the world will just keep resetting or that everyone will all die one day and none of this matters.

Either way, it's all going to end eventually.

Everything you've every worked for, gone. Memories people have about you, those will die as well.

Your hopes, dreams, passions, personality, memories, all GONE, and the worst part is that you can't do anything about it.

Now, I know that there's some of you who are reading this, and you're just like me, thinking the same thing, that life doesn't matter no matter what you do, that you have no actual purpose, and you know what?

I can't disagree with you, I could, but that would be lying to you.

But there is something I can tell you.

I can tell you that Sans was right, and that nothing matters in this world, but what he was doing was wrong.

SO WHAT, if nothing matters.
SO WHAT, if everyone is going to die one day.
SO WHAT, if there isn't a life after death.

Why not have fun while you still can? Why not take these memories and all the things you've learned about the world and make something from them?

I can't and won't tell you how to live your life, or tell you to just suck it up and deal with it.
I can tell you what I've wanted to tell Sans.

That just because life doesn't matter, it doesn't mean you still can't enjoy life.
So go out there and enjoy it while you still can.

[VoidIris1268]

Look up nihilism.

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Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

Look up nihilism.

Okay? I already knew what it meant.

[VoidIris1268]

Originally posted by Goalready:

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

Look up nihilism.

Okay? I already knew what it mean't.

The philosophy you speak of is nihilism, (or at least a form of it.)

[4443 Fizzy Water]

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

The philosophy you speak of is nihilism, (or at least a form of it.)

Well, I mean, yea, that's obvious.

Thanks for telling me anyways.

[VoidIris1268]

Originally posted by Goalready:

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

The philosophy you speak of is nihilism, (or at least a form of it.)

Well, I mean, yea, that's obvious.

Thanks for telling me anyways.

Well just saying, you're not going to find much in the way of philosophical debate here.

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Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

Well just saying, you're not going to find much in the way of philosophical debate here.

Yea, I know.
The Undertale forum has mostly....things, in it now.

But for the few unlucky souls how happen to be nihilistic, like me, and if they also happen to roam around the Undertale disscusions and see this...well....

Maybe I could give hope to those very few people.

[VoidIris1268]

Originally posted by Goalready:

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

Well just saying, you're not going to find much in the way of philosophical debate here.

Yea, I know.
The Undertale forum has mostly....things, in it now.

But for the few unlucky souls how happen to be nihilistic, like me, and if the also happen to roam around the Undertale disscusions and see this...well....

Maybe I could give hope to those very few people.

honestly I see more happy nihilists than sad ones.

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Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

honestly I see more happy nihilists than sad ones.

I've never meet another nihilist, so I only have myself to go off of, and I have chronic depression thanks to what I believe in, so I'm just trying to put out some motivation to people who are like me.

Is there anything wrong with that?

And buddy, I doubt you see alot of nihilists everyday, there's only a few amount of people like us.

[VoidIris1268]

Originally posted by Goalready:

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

honestly I see more happy nihilists than sad ones.

I've never meet another nihilist, so I only have myself to go off of, and I have chronic depression thanks to what I believe in, so I'm just trying to put out some motivation to people who are like me.

Is there anything wrong with that?

And buddy, I doubt you see alot of nihilists everyday, there's only a few amount of people like us.

On the internet. Either way there's a good chance that your depression stems from your depression and not the philosophy that focuses on the carefree enjoyment of life. What you describe is "straw nihilism." I implore you to keep researching it.

[4443 Fizzy Water]

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

On the internet. Either way there's a good chance that your depression stems from your depression and not the philosophy that focuses on the carefree enjoyment of life. What you describe is "straw nihilism." I implore you to keep researching it.

My depression stems from my depression? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

And no, it IS the philosophy. At first I was a simple athiest but then I started thinking about life more and evolution. How morals don't really exist, how everyone will die one day and nothing matters.

Sure, there are more things in life that make me depressed, but if I hadn't been so curious to find out the purpose to life, I would have way more motivation to do stuff.

If it wasn't for this philosophy I wouldn't have tried to kill myself three times.
I wouldn't have slowly lost motivation for everything I love doing.
I wouldn't be here at this computer on the internet all day.
I would be making something out of myself.

So don't tell me it's not because of the philosophy and that's my depression is somehow stemed from my depression, you didn't go through this for four years (or did you? I don't know you so I don't know.)

"Carefree enjoyment of life.", yea, I've looked at the philosophy that way many times, but the realization that none of it matters just keeps bringing me down.

All I'm trying to do is bring hope to people like me

And I just looked up,"straw nihilism", and you know what? It actually describes me pretty well besides for the whole,"Their ability to play existential mind games and force the audience into ethical dilemmas", I don't do that, I just state cold hard facts, like, we havn't found proof for souls, or any proof for Gods, I don't want to assume the worst, but I don't want to deny the truth either.

Sorry I'm typing so much.

EDIT: After doing much reaserch about "straw nihilism", I have decided I am not one of them. Sure, I may am extreme when it comes to purpose in life, but I see no reason to force the belief on others and I in fact try not to do so as much as I can, so people won't turn out like me.
I am simply a person who believes nothing matters and we are all going to die anyways, and try my best to bring hope to others like me, even though, personally, I have no hope.

EDIT 2: "There are many types of nihilism, and I do no justice to this philosophy by attempting to summarize it in one paragraph. Existential nihilism deals with extreme pessimism and scepticism. In short, it states that life is meaningless or without purpose. For an existentialist, abandoning all illusions of meaning or worth in life is the source of ultimate freedom at the price of existential horror and despair. Jean-Paul Sartre stated: “existence precedes essence.” He believes that we are thrown into an absurd world with no way to know why, yet we’re forced to create meaning. We exist, and we attempt to figure out why afterwards. Moral nihilism states that there is no true moral code. It states that there is no such thing a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ and abandons the moral constructs of any society. Once one starts the process of asking “Why? - What are morals based upon? What is the meaning of it all?” they come but to one end: the collapse into despair when they realize there is no real answer. From cosmic purposeless to pathological destruction nihilism is truly a terrifying un-belief."

THIS is what I believe (Or un-believe? This is confusing..).

[MysticMalevolence]

An unexpected development.

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Originally posted by EvilDylan:

An unexpected development.

Huh, what do you mean by that?

[VoidIris1268]

Originally posted by Goalready:

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

On the internet. Either way there's a good chance that your depression stems from your depression and not the philosophy that focuses on the carefree enjoyment of life. What you describe is "straw nihilism." I implore you to keep researching it.

My depression stems from my depression? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

And no, it IS the philosophy. At first I was a simple athiest but then I started thinking about life more and evolution. How morals don't really exist, how everyone will die one day and nothing matters.

Sure, there are more things in life that make me depressed, but if I hadn't been so curious to find out the purpose to life, I would have way more motivation to do stuff.

If it wasn't for this philosophy I wouldn't have tried to kill myself three times.
I wouldn't have slowly lost motivation for everything I love doing.
I wouldn't be here at this computer on the internet all day.
I would be making something out of myself.

So don't tell me it's not because of the philosophy and that's my depression is somehow stemed from my depression, you didn't go through this for four years (or did you? I don't know you so I don't know.)

"Carefree enjoyment of life.", yea, I've looked at the philosophy that way many times, but the realization that none of it matters just keeps bringing me down.

All I'm trying to do is bring hope to people like me

And I just looked up,"straw nihilism", and you know what? It actually describes me pretty well besides for the whole,"Their ability to play existential mind games and force the audience into ethical dilemmas", I don't do that, I just state cold hard facts, like, we havn't found proof for souls, or any proof for Gods, I don't want to assume the worst, but I don't want to deny the truth either.

Sorry I'm typing so much.

EDIT: After doing much reaserch about "straw nihilism", I have decided I am not one of them. Sure, I may am extreme when it comes to purpose in life, but I see no reason to force the belief on others and I in fact try not to do so as much as I can, so people won't turn out like me.
I am simply a person who believes nothing matters and we are all going to die anyways, and try my best to bring hope to others like me, even though, personally, I have no hope.

EDIT 2: "There are many types of nihilism, and I do no justice to this philosophy by attempting to summarize it in one paragraph. Existential nihilism deals with extreme pessimism and scepticism. In short, it states that life is meaningless or without purpose. For an existentialist, abandoning all illusions of meaning or worth in life is the source of ultimate freedom at the price of existential horror and despair. Jean-Paul Sartre stated: “existence precedes essence.” He believes that we are thrown into an absurd world with no way to know why, yet we’re forced to create meaning. We exist, and we attempt to figure out why afterwards. Moral nihilism states that there is no true moral code. It states that there is no such thing a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ and abandons the moral constructs of any society. Once one starts the process of asking “Why? - What are morals based upon? What is the meaning of it all?” they come but to one end: the collapse into despair when they realize there is no real answer. From cosmic purposeless to pathological destruction nihilism is truly a terrifying un-belief."

THIS is what I believe (Or un-believe? This is confusing..).

Never said I agree'd with nihilism. Also, Were you actually diagnosed with chronic depression? (Not calling you a liar but you never know on the internet.)

Honestly i'd advise that you discuss this on a debate forum of some sort with someone who know what they're talking about.

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Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

Never said I agree'd with nihilism. Also, Were you actually diagnosed with chronic depression? (Not calling you a liar but you never know on the internet.)

Honestly i'd advise that you discuss this on a debate forum of some sort with someone who know what they're talking about.

I never said that you did agree with nihilism.
And yes, I was diagnosed with chronic depression.

And I'm not trying to discuss nihilism on this forum, I'm just...ugh, I've already told you what I'm trying to do.

And I have no idea where to talk about this stuff, there's barely any places where people actually listen anymore.

[VoidIris1268]

Originally posted by Goalready:

Originally posted by Voidslayer1268:

Never said I agree'd with nihilism. Also, Were you actually diagnosed with chronic depression? (Not calling you a liar but you never know on the internet.)

Honestly i'd advise that you discuss this on a debate forum of some sort with someone who know what they're talking about.

I never said that you did agree with nihilism.
And yes, I was diagnosed with chronic depression.

And I'm not trying to discuss nihilism on this forum, I'm just...ugh, I've already told you what I'm trying to do.

And I have no idea where to talk about this stuff, there's barely any places where people actually listen anymore.

Try lurking around some forums, Talk to the older members so on and so forth, it'll take some time, but just keep looking.

And remember, things are only unimportant on a cosmic scale.