Did sans really die?

[Jorclai]

I wanna see what you guys think...

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Originally posted by Juicyousiguy (Ossama Minecraft):

Originally posted by hhypnotic:

sorta no other way if the owner of the post keeps making up ways to keep him alive

dude you can say "hes dead,sorry" not being rude

well sorry for me being a rude prick

[Fabo__HD]

The amount of kills didn't increase when he is gone, you never saw the health bar when attacking, and if you argued that Chara did the killing blow, Chara would've received the EXP and LOVE increase, and the sound of him being gone isn't the death sound, but the general sound of a battle ending; and in DeltaRune, which plays in another timeline, you have the option to say "Nice to see you again" or something across those lines, despite seeing him for the first time, and (beside maybe nabstablooks house?) he is the only one who has buildings from undertale with him, grillbys (as the supermarket, from grillbys all letters but the 's' are scratched off), and his and papyrus' house. This COULD imply that sans survived, pretended to be dead, and used his power of stopping time (which he uses several times, mainly for "shortcuts", talking to you in grillbys, and switching attacks), and used the time to repair whatever machine he has in his workshop to escape to another world while the world is being destroyed, which could also explain his almost passive-aggressive behavior in DeltaRune.

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Originally posted by Fabo__HD:

The amount of kills didn't increase when he is gone, you never saw the health bar when attacking, and if you argued that Chara did the killing blow, Chara would've received the EXP and LOVE increase, and the sound of him being gone isn't the death sound, but the general sound of a battle ending; and in DeltaRune, which plays in another timeline, you have the option to say "Nice to see you again" or something across those lines, despite seeing him for the first time, and (beside maybe nabstablooks house?) he is the only one who has buildings from undertale with him, grillbys (as the supermarket, from grillbys all letters but the 's' are scratched off), and his and papyrus' house. This COULD imply that sans survived, pretended to be dead, and used his power of stopping time (which he uses several times, mainly for "shortcuts", talking to you in grillbys, and switching attacks), and used the time to repair whatever machine he has in his workshop to escape to another world while the world is being destroyed, which could also explain his almost passive-aggressive behavior in DeltaRune.

this thread is 4 years old. what the ♥♥♥♥.

[Jamie English]

Maybe it took 4 years for him to type it?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Fabo__HD:

The amount of kills didn't increase when he is gone, you never saw the health bar when attacking, and if you argued that Chara did the killing blow, Chara would've received the EXP and LOVE increase, and the sound of him being gone isn't the death sound, but the general sound of a battle ending; and in DeltaRune, which plays in another timeline, you have the option to say "Nice to see you again" or something across those lines, despite seeing him for the first time, and (beside maybe nabstablooks house?) he is the only one who has buildings from undertale with him, grillbys (as the supermarket, from grillbys all letters but the 's' are scratched off), and his and papyrus' house. This COULD imply that sans survived, pretended to be dead, and used his power of stopping time (which he uses several times, mainly for "shortcuts", talking to you in grillbys, and switching attacks), and used the time to repair whatever machine he has in his workshop to escape to another world while the world is being destroyed, which could also explain his almost passive-aggressive behavior in DeltaRune.

Chara does get the LOVE and EXP, they get ALL of the XP in game. It's their name that is on the save file.

The sound that plays when Sans walks off screen is the sound that plays when a monster turns to dust.

The fact "execution" points go up at all 100% guarantees that Sans died, it's literally in the name...

[AnkleBreaker]

he did die, because the sound of his body turning to dust plays.

[WorKSimi]

This thread is super old and idk how I got here but that sound plays whenever you spare a monster, not just turns to dust, which is the best evidence against it.

Also the fact that your kill counter does not go up. Btw the blood isn't ketchup

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by WorKSimi:

This thread is super old and idk how I got here but that sound plays whenever you spare a monster, not just turns to dust, which is the best evidence against it.

Also the fact that your kill counter does not go up. Btw the blood isn't ketchup

You can't get to that point and spare Sans, though.

Another theory is that Sans is the one counting your kills, so it doesn't go up anymore once you kill him.

[The Guardian Fox]

Toby designed this to be ambiguous. There isn't a 100% answer because there isn't meant to be one. If it was meant to be conclusive he would've died on screen and not be given that 'going to Grillby's' line. Similarly the papyrus line and the results of the battle ending are meant to suggest death. It's up to your interpretation and not worth getting so tiffy over.

The sound effect that plays at battle's end also plays when you spare enemies, which just shows how real confirmation bias is on that point... Game mechanics and clearly intentional fourth wall breaks are typically not considered story canon.

Like when a character tells you to press A, you don't try to apply that to the canon of the universe of the game you're playing, similarly the 'execution point' thing can easily be considered flavor text. And even if you wanted to judge based on mechanics, on reddit someone made the point that your 'execution points' don't actually explicitly go up, your 'level of violence' is just set to 20. Which again puts it up to interpretation.

Going by the HP as the end-all be-all definitive answer also seems a bit silly to me. Again, game mechanics aren't usually canon, and even if they were you'd expect someone with 1 hp to basically explode into dust instantly from a 9,999,999 attack with such low vitality. He doesn't... he talks and walks off screen... after an attack that is 9,999,999% stronger than it would have taken to kill them... So again, using that reasoning just comes off as silly to me.

I'm not saying he didn't die, I'm saying it's not meant to be concrete either way. To each their own, IMO.

[Professor 0 Skill]

well He might be im not sure though. If you chose to destroy everything then yea but if you didnt he mightve survived. If you killed papyrus you can still see sans asking papyrus if he wants anything. So I think hes still alive (in that case at least)

[Gabss]

No, he didn't die for some reasons:


The sound of killing is the same sound of sparing

Monsters don't bleed, they're mostly made of magic (specially Sans and Papyrus, because they are skeletons)

Some say that he died because the LOVE increase, but he has the power of determination, so he could manipulate the EXP

Again saying about DT, he could have refused to die, like frisk in asriel's battle

He could have healed the damage using any heal item of the game

He could have fixed the machine in the secret room in his house and gone to another AU or timeline

(non-oficial, but i like this one) Ink!Sans saved him, and because he is not in his world, he wouldn't take any damage

well, this is it, hope i convinced some of you

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by The Guardian Fox:

Toby designed this to be ambiguous. There isn't a 100% answer because there isn't meant to be one. If it was meant to be conclusive he would've died on screen and not be given that 'going to Grillby's' line. Similarly the papyrus line and the results of the battle ending are meant to suggest death. It's up to your interpretation and not worth getting so tiffy over.

The sound effect that plays at battle's end also plays when you spare enemies, which just shows how real confirmation bias is on that point... Game mechanics and clearly intentional fourth wall breaks are typically not considered story canon.

Like when a character tells you to press A, you don't try to apply that to the canon of the universe of the game you're playing, similarly the 'execution point' thing can easily be considered flavor text. And even if you wanted to judge based on mechanics, on reddit someone made the point that your 'execution points' don't actually explicitly go up, your 'level of violence' is just set to 20. Which again puts it up to interpretation.

Going by the HP as the end-all be-all definitive answer also seems a bit silly to me. Again, game mechanics aren't usually canon, and even if they were you'd expect someone with 1 hp to basically explode into dust instantly from a 9,999,999 attack with such low vitality. He doesn't... he talks and walks off screen... after an attack that is 9,999,999% stronger than it would have taken to kill them... So again, using that reasoning just comes off as silly to me.

I'm not saying he didn't die, I'm saying it's not meant to be concrete either way. To each their own, IMO.

He dies 100%

Him walking off screen is to rob you of the satisfaction of seeing the person, you likely spent hours to kill, die. It isn’t meant to be ambiguous, it’s meant to be unsatisfying.

[The Guardian Fox]

Unless you're Toby Fox then no, it's not 100%. A ton of things about this game are intentionally left ambiguous, that's part of what makes it so great.

[Shark-Kaboom]

Originally posted by Jorclai:

its called ketchup

The blood, is actually a thing called bone marrow.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by The Guardian Fox:

Unless you're Toby Fox then no, it's not 100%. A ton of things about this game are intentionally left ambiguous, that's part of what makes it so great.

You get execution points. He died. Ambiguity is only serviceable if either scenario gives greater depth or purpose to either outcome. Sans surviving the fight would not service the game in any way. It would also ruin his character to a massive degree because why would he just stop trying to stop you if he lived? And even if he did survive the fight, he would die moments later when Chara destroys everything.