Chara Theory [SPOILERS]

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

So this is a theory I've been thinking about after putting together bits of information in the game. My theory basically attempts to explain exactly how Chara is able to control Frisk, and why Frisk's determination is so special.

So to get it out of the way, Chara continues to manifest themself through the use of golden flower seeds, yes you read that right, golden flower seeds.

Now to explain...

In the True Lab, one of Alphys's entries states that the seeds of the golden flowers are sticky and hard to remove. Why is this bit of information important? Well we know from the monsters' story in New Home that Asriel placed Chara onto a bed of golden flowers before bringing their body back to the UNDERGROUND. So both he and Chara would be covered in the seeds of the flowers when returning back through the barrier.

The seeds on Asriel planted themselves in Asgore's throne room when Asriel turned to dust, creating the garden the King is watering when you arrive. Asriel's dust covering these seeds is also what leads to the creation of Flowey when one is artificially injected with determination. This explains where the golden flowers here came from, but what about the other bed of golden flowers seen in the RUINs?

From the genocide route we learn that Toriel took Chara's body with her when she left for the RUINs, and that she buried Chara somewhere in the RUINs as well. Also note that another entry states that Flowey was the first golden flower to bloom in the UNDERGROUND, and that it bloomed AFTER Toriel had already left for the RUINS. This means Toriel couldn't have created the bed of flowers in the RUINS from the golden flowers in Asgore's throne room. So the conclusion is obvious, the seeds from the surface were still attached to Chara's body when Toriel buried him/her and the seeds grew into the bed of flowers at the start of the game.

So the bed of golden flowers at the start of the game is actually Chara's grave.

We know a monster's essence can be contained on an object their dust is sprinkled on. It's never expanded upon in the game, but what if this is also true for humans in some regard? So that Chara's essence could still be contained in the golden flowers that grew from their body.
This would mean that Chara could attach themselves as seeds to any human that lands on the bed of golden flowers at the start of the game, including Frisk.

I could go on to expand how this could explain some things about determination, reseting the game, and why you always start the game on the golden flowers, but I'll save that for extra comments.

Let me know your thoughts on this.

[alvinau2000]

My theory is Frisk is Chara.
At the end of the Genocide, Chara says: Reincarnation.
At the end of Pacifist, Asriel asked the human's name, he/she replied Frisk.
What does the word Frisk mean? (From Wikipedia.)
Frisking (also called a patdown or pat down) is a search of a person's outer clothing wherein a person runs his or her hands along the outer garments to detect any concealed weapons.
Seems Chara to me all along.
At the end of the post-Genocide Pacifist, the human is revealled Chara in the bed.
Frisk = Chara

In the TV in the True Lab: Asriel: Six, right? We just need to get six.
Undyne to human, first encounter: Six, that's how many we collected thus far.
Apparently, 6 souls were already collected when the player starts the journey.

Flowey had saving power. Who else has?
In the story-telling sequence in New Home, Asriel and Chara combined bodies, they shared the same saving power.

When the player kills someone and increased LOVE, the menu screen of named character also gets the increased LOVE. It doesn't make sense if the player and Chara are two different entites.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by alvinau2000:

My theory is Frisk is Chara.
At the end of the Genocide, Chara says: Reincarnation.
At the end of Pacifist, Asriel asked the human's name, he/she replied Frisk.
What does the word Frisk mean? (From Wikipedia.)
Frisking (also called a patdown or pat down) is a search of a person's outer clothing wherein a person runs his or her hands along the outer garments to detect any concealed weapons.
Seems Chara to me all along.
At the end of the post-Genocide Pacifist, the human is revealled Chara in the bed.
Frisk = Chara

In the TV in the True Lab: Asriel: Six, right? We just need to get six.
Undyne to human, first encounter: Six, that's how many we collected thus far.
Apparently, 6 souls were already collected when the player starts the journey.

Flowey had saving power. Who else has?
In the story-telling sequence in New Home, Asriel and Chara combined bodies, they shared the same saving power.

When the player kills someone and increased LOVE, the menu screen of named character also gets the increased LOVE. It doesn't make sense if the player and Chara are two different entites.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you saying Frisk and Chara are actually the same person, or that Frisk is a reincarnation of Chara?

However, I personally don't think either of those cases are true. Chara is basically a form of the player within the game's story whereas Frisk is just the medium with which you exist in the game's world (you control Frisk, Chara controls Frisk, etc.), but by completing genocide you end up bringing the actual in-game character Chara back to life. This is because you became so emotionally detatched from the game, that even the character that's supposed to represent yourself takes on its own form and strips away all control from you.

[Absolution]

Maybe great minds do think alike...

Yes, not enough importance is placed on the seeds but I'd like to add something; Asriel and Chara died together, as one conjoined entity. Cross-contamination seems highly likely. Chara's soul is markedly absent from Asgore's collection, and so must not have presented itself after Asriel's death the way it does when the human body dies.

Where to, then?

[alvinau2000]

Originally posted by Absolution:

Maybe great minds do think alike...

Yes, not enough importance is placed on the seeds but I'd like to add something; Asriel and Chara died together, as one conjoined entity. Cross-contamination seems highly likely. Chara's soul is markedly absent from Asgore's collection, and so must not have presented itself after Asriel's death the way it does when the human body dies.

Where to, then?

Frisk?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Absolution:

Maybe great minds do think alike...

Yes, not enough importance is placed on the seeds but I'd like to add something; Asriel and Chara died together, as one conjoined entity. Cross-contamination seems highly likely. Chara's soul is markedly absent from Asgore's collection, and so must not have presented itself after Asriel's death the way it does when the human body dies.

Where to, then?

Asriel would have had Chara's soul when he died, so it is likely Chara's soul was lost along with Asriel's demise. Perhaps a human soul no longer persists once it has been absorbed by a monster.

Now I don't think that Flowey is a combination of Asriel and Chara, and this is mainly just because he comes across as purely Asriel throughout the game. I don't know if that is what you mean by "cross-contamination".

It seems that after Asriel's death and the loss of his/her soul, Chara became a pure manifestion of their own determination, whose continued existence is bent on combining itself with the determination of other humans. Chara and Frisk's combined determination is enough to outweigh Flowey's. Also if Chara's determination is connected to the golden flowers in the RUINs that grew from his/her body, Frisk landing on those flowers would be where their determinations combined making it the first true save point. This would explain why Frisk couldn't simply reset before the beginning of the game.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by alvinau2000:

Originally posted by Absolution:

Maybe great minds do think alike...

Yes, not enough importance is placed on the seeds but I'd like to add something; Asriel and Chara died together, as one conjoined entity. Cross-contamination seems highly likely. Chara's soul is markedly absent from Asgore's collection, and so must not have presented itself after Asriel's death the way it does when the human body dies.

Where to, then?

Frisk?

Well remember that enough time for 6 humans to fall into the UNDERGROUND had to transpire between when Chara died and when Frisk fell into the RUINs.

Chara was the one that fell in 201X, we have no idea when the actual events during the game take place.

[Absolution]

A human cannot take a human soul, and a monster cannot take a monsters'.

Flowey is neither, and can take both.
Chara may be of a similar composition after what happened. That's what I meant by cross-contamination. This is the way I reconcile the concept of Chara (us) having any influence on Frisk. Obviously not normal human behavior.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Absolution:

A human cannot take a human soul, and a monster cannot take a monsters'.

Flowey is neither, and can take both.
Chara may be of a similar composition after what happened. That's what I meant by cross-contamination. This is the way I reconcile the concept of Chara (us) having any influence on Frisk. Obviously not normal human behavior.

Maybe we should consider why Chara needs your permission in order to take Frisk's soul.

We know that whatever Chara is when you encounter them on the genocide route, he/she has determination, otherwise Flowey would easily overpower you. That doesn't necessarily make Chara human, and I don't believe you can consider Chara human at that point since he/she no longer has a physical body. Using the flower seeds as a medium for his/her determination would follow the same rules as Flowey, allowing him/her to absorb both kinds of souls.

I guess what I'm saying is Chara is like Flowey, a golden flower filled with determination. The difference however is that Flowey was experimentally injected with determination while Chara simply placed his/her own determination into the flowers, because Chara already had determination having previously been human.

Seeing Chara alive at the end of genocide parallels seeing Asriel back as his former self in true pacifist.