Did Sans absorb the human souls?

[charow]

So,if Sans is supposufly SO powerful,why didn't he take you out the second he knew you killed the other monsters?Also,if Sans didn't absorb the human souls,either Asgore or Flowe would absorb them,right?an.ey dont put up a fight at all.Just a theory

[charow]

Just wanted to know if you agree

[Schizoman]

I don't think anyone in Genocide absorbs the human souls.

Why Asgore doesn't is absolutely absurd.

[Madi]

Originally posted by A Totally Harmless Flower:

I don't think anyone in Genocide absorbs the human souls.

Why Asgore doesn't is absolutely absurd.

Alphys was supposed to call him and tell him to absorb the human souls if Undyne wasn't able to stop you, but it's believed she STILL didn't watch Undyne fight you like in the neutral and pacifist routes. However, she did evacuate everyone, it seems starting in Snowdin, so that really begs the question why she never called Asgore if she knew to get everyone to safety. I don't get why Sans didn't warn him either, and Asriel tried but I guess was too late.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

No, the reason he only fights you in genocide is because he promised Toriel he wouldn't hurt you. However, he knows that if you continue past him while on a genocide route, you'll end up destroying the timeline. So he only fights you in order to make you quit before that happens.

As for why Asgore doesn't absorb the human souls before you get there, I don't really know.

[(Sir)]

no sans is just a jedi

[charow]

I didn't expect this to get ANY comments!Thanks guys!

[pencil syrup]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

No, the reason he only fights you in genocide is because he promised Toriel he wouldn't hurt you. However, he knows that if you continue past him while on a genocide route, you'll end up destroying the timeline. So he only fights you in order to make you quit before that happens.

As for why Asgore doesn't absorb the human souls before you get there, I don't really know.

I actually really want to make a fan-game of Asgore with the 6 souls.

During the battle, rather than a Sunset, a raging lightning storm is occuring.

It would start normally, you 'kill' him instantly, but he is reduced to 1 HP, and the souls heal him up to full and strengthen him, similar to in the Neutral final boss. Additionally, he can use the Combat modes of all the souls at any time, tossing copies of his Trident at you, Trapping you within 3 lanes of movement, everywhere else being engulfed in flames, and ETC.

Before fight: "Well, well. Look who it is...You must be who this little flower has just told me about. I would offer you a cup of tea, but-" *this is when you almost kill him"

*The 6 souls burst out, and heal him, meanwhile sending you flying backwards.*

"Hehe....Alphys told me about you. To absorb the souls...Oh, and about that tea? Well.................. Y O U K N O W H O W I T I S."

Fight start: "Oh...what is this? I would have destroyed your Mercy option, as i would normally not deserve it, but it seems you've already neglected it to the point of shattering it yourself...Less work for me, i guess. Let's finish this."

Act option that would NORMALLY help you: Talk
You firmly tell Asgore you don't want to fight Asgore remembers how you slaughtered everybody in your way. *Asgore's DEF raised to 150, Asgore's ATK raised to 50.

Act option that would help him not be basically unkillable: Taunt.

1st use: You tell Asgore how all his people died because he let them down. His hands tremble for a moment. *Asgore's DEF has dropped to 120, Asgore's ATK has raised to 100.

2nd use: You tell Asgore how much of a pathetic whelp Undyne was. Asgore lets out an angry snort. *Asgore's DEF dropped to 90, Asgore's ATK raised to 150.

3rd use: You tell Asgore that his last hope for survival died in the Hall, just moments ago. Shock flashes in his eyes, quickly replaced by wrath. *Asgore's DEF dropped to 60, Asgore's ATK raised to 200.

4th use: You tell Asgore how once you are finished with him, you will destroy this world. He looks almost as if he remembers you, then realises what this battle means. *Asgore's DEF dropped to 30, Asgore's ATK raised to 300.

5th use: You happily tell Asgore how you relentlessly slaughtered Toriel. A terrifying look of Grief, Shock and pure Hatred appears on his face. His grip tightens to the point of making cracks in his Trident. *Asgore's DEF dropped to 0, Asgore's ATK raised to 600.

*With each DEF drop, he takes a bit more damage from each hit, but still gets a minor heal every 2 turns. When he reaches 0 DEF, he can be dropped to 1 HP again, but this time, all the Human souls begin to shatter, and after 3 more rounds (2 shatter each round, 1 at the end and 1 at the beginning), he is left completely vulnerable to one last, well placed blow.

(Death text: Well....I...can't say.....I didn't.....see this coming.....
.....T-Tori....? Is...Is that you...?....)


IF ANYONE IS DOWN TO MAKE THIS A THING I WILL LOVE FOR FOREVER AND EVER!!! (if u do plz credit me for the concept xD)

[Madi]

why is everyone so terrible at warning asgore though, really, alphys could call at any time, it's not like his location matters, past the CORE phones still work, it's just inside it they don't. This is proven in that Toriel sends you new texts when you walk back through the Underground after a Pacifist run. And Flowey, really, what did you do, tell him your life story? All you had to say is absorb the human souls, something evil is coming. That simple.

[Sparkbag🔥]

I know this is an old post, but I've been trying to come up with a theory on the ACTUAL FULL story of Undertale, I've written a few lines about it if anyone's interested, I really need some help to check if it all adds up, and yes it took me alot of time, this game is crazily deep with the lore, and most of it isn't directly shown to us but there are many MANY things the characters say that seem out of context, that only make sense once you find the pieces of the lore. Gathering resource is hard because the best way is still to study the game is playing it, and it's not a short game because of the multiple routes.

However, here's what I'd say to answer your question:
Sans did not absorb the human souls or he would have looked physically similar to a "Rainbow Boss" that's how I call the bosses in the game that make the use of human souls. Here absorbing so many would make him able to become like Flowey, or even Asriel and it's not the case. The fact Flowey turns into a monster isn't because of the souls, they didn't make him an abomination, he only used his power to gather "stuff" that was laying around him to turn it into his body, and guess what, the fight takes place in the kings room, where there are tons of plants, for further proof, evey single one of his attacks are made out of plants (and insects), even if they're magically empowered (yeah, plants don't explode like bombs on their own). If Sans had similar powers he would have made himself huge and powerful in some way, using pillars and glass from the judgement room, but he didn't.

As you see it's easy to answer that question... we have plenty of proof that, yes, a monster absorbing souls makes it really, really powerful but we still don't know WHY it's not what Sans and Asgore do. If you want to know about it, you're going have to read my theory because it's not easy to exlain at all. Just leave a comment on my profile or add me and I can share that with you people.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Sparkbag:

I know this is an old post, but I've been trying to come up with a theory on the ACTUAL FULL story of Undertale, I've written a few lines about it if anyone's interested, I really need some help to check if it all adds up, and yes it took me alot of time, this game is crazily deep with the lore, and most of it isn't directly shown to us but there are many MANY things the characters say that seem out of context, that only make sense once you find the pieces of the lore. Gathering resource is hard because the best way is still to study the game is playing it, and it's not a short game because of the multiple routes.

However, here's what I'd say to answer your question:
Sans did not absorb the human souls or he would have looked physically similar to a "Rainbow Boss" that's how I call the bosses in the game that make the use of human souls. Here absorbing so many would make him able to become like Flowey, or even Asriel and it's not the case. The fact Flowey turns into a monster isn't because of the souls, they didn't make him an abomination, he only used his power to gather "stuff" that was laying around him to turn it into his body, and guess what, the fight takes place in the kings room, where there are tons of plants, for further proof, evey single one of his attacks are made out of plants (and insects), even if they're magically empowered (yeah, plants don't explode like bombs on their own). If Sans had similar powers he would have made himself huge and powerful in some way, using pillars and glass from the judgement room, but he didn't.

As you see it's easy to answer that question... we have plenty of proof that, yes, a monster absorbing souls makes it really, really powerful but we still don't know WHY it's not what Sans and Asgore do. If you want to know about it, you're going have to read my theory because it's not easy to exlain at all. Just leave a comment on my profile or add me and I can share that with you people.

I don’t think the more monstrous forms are from using things around the area. Having 6-7 human souls or equivalent allows you to become a god, able to rewrite the world as they see fit. They also choose their form, although in the case of Photoshop Flowey, I suspect he had to combine things that existed to form that body due to only having 6 souls.

I think Sans doesn’t use them because Asgore only reveals them when he needs to collect a new soul from a human. And only Asgore knows where they are. This is why Flowey could never get them before, even after killing everyone.

Asgore may have refused to use them preemptively out of guilt.

[Sparkbag🔥]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Sparkbag:

I know this is an old post, but I've been trying to come up with a theory on the ACTUAL FULL story of Undertale, I've written a few lines about it if anyone's interested, I really need some help to check if it all adds up, and yes it took me alot of time, this game is crazily deep with the lore, and most of it isn't directly shown to us but there are many MANY things the characters say that seem out of context, that only make sense once you find the pieces of the lore. Gathering resource is hard because the best way is still to study the game is playing it, and it's not a short game because of the multiple routes.

However, here's what I'd say to answer your question:
Sans did not absorb the human souls or he would have looked physically similar to a "Rainbow Boss" that's how I call the bosses in the game that make the use of human souls. Here absorbing so many would make him able to become like Flowey, or even Asriel and it's not the case. The fact Flowey turns into a monster isn't because of the souls, they didn't make him an abomination, he only used his power to gather "stuff" that was laying around him to turn it into his body, and guess what, the fight takes place in the kings room, where there are tons of plants, for further proof, evey single one of his attacks are made out of plants (and insects), even if they're magically empowered (yeah, plants don't explode like bombs on their own). If Sans had similar powers he would have made himself huge and powerful in some way, using pillars and glass from the judgement room, but he didn't.

As you see it's easy to answer that question... we have plenty of proof that, yes, a monster absorbing souls makes it really, really powerful but we still don't know WHY it's not what Sans and Asgore do. If you want to know about it, you're going have to read my theory because it's not easy to exlain at all. Just leave a comment on my profile or add me and I can share that with you people.

I don’t think the more monstrous forms are from using things around the area. Having 6-7 human souls or equivalent allows you to become a god, able to rewrite the world as they see fit. They also choose their form, although in the case of Photoshop Flowey, I suspect he had to combine things that existed to form that body due to only having 6 souls.

I think Sans doesn’t use them because Asgore only reveals them when he needs to collect a new soul from a human. And only Asgore knows where they are. This is why Flowey could never get them before, even after killing everyone.

Asgore may have refused to use them preemptively out of guilt.

I agree with the fact Flowey used his powers to turn himself into a monster, because that's his state of mind in some way... I don't know how I could explain the fact Sans and Asgore don't use the souls easily because it takes way too much space, but it's not out of guilt. My theory is about 3 pages long, and I can't explain everything, so if you want to read it please add me.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Sparkbag:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I don’t think the more monstrous forms are from using things around the area. Having 6-7 human souls or equivalent allows you to become a god, able to rewrite the world as they see fit. They also choose their form, although in the case of Photoshop Flowey, I suspect he had to combine things that existed to form that body due to only having 6 souls.

I think Sans doesn’t use them because Asgore only reveals them when he needs to collect a new soul from a human. And only Asgore knows where they are. This is why Flowey could never get them before, even after killing everyone.

Asgore may have refused to use them preemptively out of guilt.

I agree with the fact Flowey used his powers to turn himself into a monster, because that's his state of mind in some way... I don't know how I could explain the fact Sans and Asgore don't use the souls easily because it takes way too much space, but it's not out of guilt. My theory is about 3 pages long, and I can't explain everything, so if you want to read it please add me.

Well for one, there isn’t really any way Genocide Frisk should be able to defeat the 6 souls, since they wouldn’t help them like in the Photoshop Flowey fight.

My only guess as to why Asgore wouldn’t be warned sooner would be that Flowey was somehow stopping Undyne and Alphys from being able to contact him.

[BreakinBenny]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Sparkbag:

I agree with the fact Flowey used his powers to turn himself into a monster, because that's his state of mind in some way... I don't know how I could explain the fact Sans and Asgore don't use the souls easily because it takes way too much space, but it's not out of guilt. My theory is about 3 pages long, and I can't explain everything, so if you want to read it please add me.

Well for one, there isn’t really any way Genocide Frisk should be able to defeat the 6 souls, since they wouldn’t help them like in the Photoshop Flowey fight.

My only guess as to why Asgore wouldn’t be warned sooner would be that Flowey was somehow stopping Undyne and Alphys from being able to contact him.

Don't forget… It's said by Papyrus how he notices Frisk is covered in dust, and they're very drenched in it by the time the Genocide route is over. Asgore likely expected fighting a human, but at the same time he likely didn't get the memo.