Would you sacrifice Frisk?

[Azure-Nova]

WARNING: MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR UNDERTALE

I have a question for all of you. Let's assume you're in the Ruins, and you see Asriel in the place
where Flowey is supposed to be. He's about to turn back into Flowey, losing his soul forever. You have the option to either let him turn into Flowey and live there for the rest of eternity, or, as a last resort, sacrifice your (Frisk's) SOUL and give it to Asriel so he can continue living in peace. (Don't know how you would do that, but let's assume it's possible.) Would you do it?

[Aluminate]

Issue is, that won't work. Flowey had 6 human souls in him and did not turn into Asriel. It took many monster souls in addition to those 6 to maintain his form indefinately.

But, as you said, let's assume it was; No.

Flowey can not feel love, kindness, compassion but it can feel fear, respect and remembers. It may not be able to "feel" love but it sure as hell remembers it. You must remember, Flowey was betrayed by the first human. He felt bitter, angry at being used and so used th eonly emotions he could use against others for sport.

We left on a positive note and he will remember that. We did not betray him, he chose it. Even if he can no longer "feel" the feelings behind what he felt, he know they were good this time.

[Azure-Nova]

Wait, when was Asriel betrayed by Chara (Sorry, it's been a while since I've played Undertale, so the details are a bit foggy.)? I just remember Chara fell down, the Dreemurr family adopted her, she died from a fatal illness, Asriel broke the barrier to get to the surface and bury her or something, but all the humans (I think there was a village or something up there, not sure) thought Asriel killed Chara, and they proceeded to kill Asriel (Well, he died shortly after returning to the Ruins, I think). Where in that whole story did Chara betray Asriel? Sorry if it was something in the Genocide Route, I couldn't work up the courage to see all my favorite characters die like that.

Although I do remember that it took the monster's souls turn him into Asriel, and the 6 human souls only turned him into Omega Flowey, I think?

[Jamchow]

No.

[Aluminate]

Originally posted by seellloyd:

Wait, when was Asriel betrayed by Chara (Sorry, it's been a while since I've played Undertale, so the details are a bit foggy.)? I just remember Chara fell down, the Dreemurr family adopted her, she died from a fatal illness, Asriel broke the barrier to get to the surface and bury her or something, but all the humans (I think there was a village or something up there, not sure) thought Asriel killed Chara, and they proceeded to kill Asriel (Well, he died shortly after returning to the Ruins, I think). Where in that whole story did Chara betray Asriel? Sorry if it was something in the Genocide Route, I couldn't work up the courage to see all my favorite characters die like that.

Although I do remember that it took the monster's souls turn him into Asriel, and the 6 human souls only turned him into Omega Flowey, I think?

The videos in the true lab reveal Chara had a plan and delibrately ate the buttercups to make her self ill. Asriel, during that tape, expressed how he no longer wanted to go through with the "plan". It was then Chara stated her last wish was to see the flowers of her village. This was likely a trick after hearing Asriel confess to not wanting to carry out the "plan".

Asriel states, IIRC, that when he absorbed Chara's soul, she instantly took control of his body. She then proceeded to carry her own dead corpse to the surface and wanted to use Asriel's body, and the power it, had recieved after absorbing Chara's soul. As she was about to kill them Asriel took back control and refused to harm them bla bla bla rest is known by ya.

[~FieryFox~]

Originally posted by Aluminate:

Issue is, that won't work. Flowey had 6 human souls in him and did not turn into Asriel. It took many monster souls in addition to those 6 to maintain his form indefinately.

But, as you said, let's assume it was; No.

Flowey can not feel love, kindness, compassion but it can feel fear, respect and remembers. It may not be able to "feel" love but it sure as hell remembers it. You must remember, Flowey was betrayed by the first human. He felt bitter, angry at being used and so used th eonly emotions he could use against others for sport.

We left on a positive note and he will remember that. We did not betray him, he chose it. Even if he can no longer "feel" the feelings behind what he felt, he know they were good this time.

actually we just lack information about it like for instance asriel was still in the form after giving up the souls so he might of been able to keep it still if he took frisks soul or a monster soul

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by ☼ Jam ☼:

No.

[VoidIris1268]

No.

[Madi]

I'd more like to imagine Frisk would sacrifice themselves, but apparently they're happy, according to Flowey. So I guess that's not on the table. I definitely wouldn't want to force Frisk to, but I myself, hypothetically, would sacrifice myself for Asriel. It also sounds kinda cool, having a shared soul.

[Aluminate]

Originally posted by ~FieryFox~:

Originally posted by Aluminate:

Issue is, that won't work. Flowey had 6 human souls in him and did not turn into Asriel. It took many monster souls in addition to those 6 to maintain his form indefinately.

But, as you said, let's assume it was; No.

Flowey can not feel love, kindness, compassion but it can feel fear, respect and remembers. It may not be able to "feel" love but it sure as hell remembers it. You must remember, Flowey was betrayed by the first human. He felt bitter, angry at being used and so used th eonly emotions he could use against others for sport.

We left on a positive note and he will remember that. We did not betray him, he chose it. Even if he can no longer "feel" the feelings behind what he felt, he know they were good this time.

actually we just lack information about it like for instance asriel was still in the form after giving up the souls so he might of been able to keep it still if he took frisks soul or a monster soul

Pretty sure he stated he can't maintain his true form very long without the all souls and that he "will" turn back into Flowey. The only information we are lacking is if Frisk's soul is enough to maintain the form all on its own. And using deduction, I doubt it.

[Madi]

Originally posted by Aluminate:

Originally posted by ~FieryFox~:

actually we just lack information about it like for instance asriel was still in the form after giving up the souls so he might of been able to keep it still if he took frisks soul or a monster soul

Pretty sure he stated he can't maintain his true form very long without the all souls and that he "will" turn back into Flowey. The only information we are lacking is if Frisk's soul is enough to maintain the form all on its own. And using deduction, I doubt it.

Meh, I think he may be able to maintain his form with one. I mean, what really changes between him becoming asriel from normal to true ending? simply that your friends showed up. the human souls gave him the incredible power alphys said was needed to take souls of living monsters, but he doesn't try this in a normal ending, only once your friends show up and you've gone through the true lab. As seen with him getting all the souls, he can take them from very far away, all the way to waterfall. I question if he obtained any from Snowdin, as the shop keeper has only heard of a human now, and doesn't know you as the human or Frisk. However, some RUINs monsters seem to recall more than those in snowdin. But some in snowdin know more than others, like ice wolf knowing he no longer needs to throw ice, and everyone at grillbys talking about it. So it's a bit choppy, but he could take far away souls, not requiring the souls of those who showed up. So something your friends do or what you do in the lab cause him to become Asriel. So I really don't think he needs all the soul power to stay himself, but maybe not, we of course don't have a clear answer, but I don't doubt a single soul could support his form, as he is already a gosh darn Boss Monster, I mean if only for a while. Does it count if he died and came back? How does the transmission of the Boss Monster power reverse back to the parents from the kid dying anyway??

[Lucario the Mario]

yes if he dosnt turn into a giant flower monstrastity

[~FieryFox~]

Originally posted by Aluminate:

Originally posted by ~FieryFox~:

actually we just lack information about it like for instance asriel was still in the form after giving up the souls so he might of been able to keep it still if he took frisks soul or a monster soul

Pretty sure he stated he can't maintain his true form very long without the all souls and that he "will" turn back into Flowey. The only information we are lacking is if Frisk's soul is enough to maintain the form all on its own. And using deduction, I doubt it.

like i already said we lack information using deduction him without any soul=flowey we know this to be a fact so yes he will" turn into flowey the only thing in hte lore that 7 human leveled souls together did was make a god. My guess would be he would be able to keep his asriel form if he got a monster soul or frisk's soul but only while he is in that state.

[Blikk]

No.

[Azure-Nova]

Jeez, a lot of comments came in one day. Also, thank's for refreshing my mind. Also, I think Asriel would be able to turn back with one human soul, because for one thing, all the way back in the intro, it talks about the war with humans and monsters, and how humans won, and although it doesn't say that this is actually the reason they won, it is very likely (I think it might say this in the game, but again, details are foggy) that they won because their souls were stronger. I don't know if this is just defense-wise, but I think it means that it is also stronger, in terms of power, as well. So if Asriel absorbed the soul of a human, it would actually be enough to turn him back. Plus, didn't it say in one part of the game that Asriel actually had the soul of a human before Chara came and screwed things up? Still, I could be wrong though.

[Madi]

Originally posted by ∞:

Screw frisk. I'd sacrifice him even for a hamburguer.

Same for all other characters.

If you got Toriel to wear her mumu again you could probably get several burgers again.

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