My Undertale Gaster theory. It's weird and random, but hear me out.

[GameHero152]

tl;dr summary: The fan game Don't Forget accidentally stumbled across a crucial plot point. The machine that Gaster fell into was a machine made to travel between timelines.


Okay, so I'd like to first say that this theory I have is really random and crazy, but at least read through the theory because I feel like it works well with what I have so far. I swear I have to have ADHD though to connect all of these things together. Just please resist arguing with my theory until after you've read through it. Then you can argue all you want. Okay, so onto the theory! So awhile back, I was messing around with the fun values in Undertale to see all the things you could do and to see the fun value events. I then randomly remembered a tweet Toby Fox made a long time ago. It was a parody of Sans' speech in judgement hall on pacifist of neutral. Here comes the crazy part where I swear I have to have ADHD for this to be relevant, but try to stick through this. The tweet basically said, "FUN, too, is an acronym." And then he proceeded to type the FUN song from Spongebob. Here goes the random. I was thinking about this and and me and my random brain thought that the N part of the song actually kind of relates to Gaster. (Please stick through this because I have some more logical stuff later.) Anywhere and any time at all. Well Gaster is everywhere and every time at all. If that makes any sense. My explanations for the other two letters are way weaker since I just wanted this to work, but I thought, "What if every fun value event was somehow related to Gaster?" I mean, the majority of them are, so it wouldn't be that farfetched to say that all of them are. And later, I discovered that they probably are, but for reasons that are much more logical and have nothing to do with Spongebob. Before moving on to my next point though, I do want to say two things. First of all, I have not yet discovered how the fun events that aren't directly related to Gaster relate to him yet, but I'm still trying. Secondly, I feel like the little jingles in the sound test room tell a story. What that story is, I'm still not sure, but I do know two things about it. I know that it would start with Happy Town where everything is still good and nice and nothing has gone wrong yet. Then it ends with Gaster's theme, after he supposedly falls into one of his machines and dies/splits across space and time, turning him into what he is now, and he can't go back, explaining why once you select that song, you can't choose any others. Onto the more logical things! So, yesterday I was watching a livestream on and Undertale fangame called Don't Forget. The main plot point is that the greatest machine that Gaster built, and the one that is broken in Sans' lab, is a machine that allows travel between different timelines. So I thought back to the stream and thought about this, and realized that it actually made a lot of sense. Looking into the theory, I found a lot of evidence to back it up! So I think that this fangame might have stumbled across the key to solving the mystery of W.D. Gaster! Now, my main piece of evidence for this theory is Sans. Now, in a lot of Gaster theories, it is speculated that Sans and Papyrus are two pieces of Gaster that were born when Gaster fell into one of his machines and got split across space and time, according to the Gaster followers. I personally agree with that theory. I also believe that there are many more pieces of Gaster that we have seen through the different fun value events and possibly even more that we haven't seen. If we take all of these things into consideration, then the more strange and mysterious dialogue that we get from Sans during his boss fight suddenly makes sense. "our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting..." If Sans truly is a piece of Gaster and he did build a machine that travels across timelines, then it would make sense that Sans has the ability to moniter timelines. "look. i gave up trying to go back a long time ago." Knowing that 'going back' is different than going to the surface, that could mean that it refers to either turning back into his original self or going back to his orginal timeline, which might not even exist anymore given that he says, "you'll keep consuming timelines over and over, until... well. hey. take it from me, kid. someday... you gotta learn when to QUIT." So, taking all of this and everything else we know into consideration, here is my theory of what happened to W.D. Gaster. He was the first royal scientist, who did as much work as he could to help and improve monsters' lives while they were living in the underground. He then began work on a new project, a machine that could travel between timelines, and it's most likely that he planned to use it to find a timeline where humans never declared war on the monsters and never sealed them underground. Regardless of the reason for building the machine, during one of his experiments with this, something went horribly wrong. He fell into his machine, and it ripped him apart across space and time, separating the many pieces of himself across different timelines. Sans, probably being the most whole of these pieces, tried desperately to fix the machine; to go back and fix his mistakes, but he couldn't. Eventually, he gave up hope. The only other piece of himself that he had was Papyrus, and great as he is, he isn't much help. And without any way to find the other pieces of himself trapped in different timelines, there was no chance he could fix the machine or revert back into his former self. And even then, there's the chance that his timeline is gone, leaving his hopes to be drained even more. Eventually, he gave up. He accepted his new life, and took on the job of protecting the timelines, so nobody would make the same mistakes that he did. As for the other pieces, well I think that we've seen them already. I believe that every other hint of Gaster in the fun value events is another piece of himself. The mysterious man, the goner kid, even the Gaster followers, all pieces of himself that are separated into the different timelines that we know as fun values. And it doesn't stop there. The whole theme of Undertale I think supports this. Determination. Every time you die, respawn, and reset, you are messing with the timelines. And it's most apparent at the end of a genocide run. A normal person going in completely blind would have a playthrough like this. On their first run through the game, they would most likely play the game like any other RPG, just killing all the enemies that stand in their way. They might mess around with the sparing feature a bit, but they'll still end up with the neutral ending. Then, after Flowey talks to the player, they go for the true pacifist ending. Some people will stop there, but then there are some people that go into a genocide run after that. At this point, there have been so many deaths and resets that mess with the timelines, and seeing the path that Frisk goes on now, Sans steps to stop it. But in the end, the player ends up killing Sans, Frisk ends up in a loop of his/her mistakes that Gaster tried to stop. So in the end, the truth of Gaster is that he made mistakes that he regrets, and all he can do now is try to make up for them, and prevent anyone else from repeating those mistakes. But hey, that's just a- wait a second I'm on Steam, so probably not too many people will understand that Game Theory reference. Oh well. Thank you so much if you stuck around for so long, I know that was a lot to ask. It would be greatly appreciated if you commented your thoughts on my theory. Whether it be supporting evidence, arguments and flaws, or just plain old reactions. Anything helps, so thanks again for reading through this wall of text.

[Weeblebeeb]

Sum this up, I can't read this for the life of me

Edit: better than the theory that frisk is from tthe future

[GameHero152]

At the top. I swear that is the best tl;dr summary I could come up with.

[GameHero152]

First of all, I just realized that that is so true. I can write these giant walls of text and yet have the hardest times reading through walls of texts. Quite strange. Anyways, I didn't realize that before. Although the theory that Sans and Papyrus are parts of Gaster, or at least closely related to Gaster, is because all skeletons, named after and talk in a font, Sans and Papyrus supposedly just showed up in Snowdin out of nowhere, Sans is really tough and mysterious, and Papyrus has really good control of his magic, seeing that it's impossible for him to kill you and yet Toriel can, and the small hint that he has a Gaster blaster if you do a genocide run, spare Papyrus, go on the date, and interact with his box of attacks. Wow, I rambled on for a bit. Anyways, thanks for the feedback and I'll be looking into the fact that everyone else is gray.

[Weeblebeeb]

Postat inițial de Bɪʟʟ Cɪᴘʜᴇʀ:

Is it weird that people with ADHD type huge walls of text that other ADHD people can't read because of their ADHD?

I can't read it and I don't even have ADHD

[GameHero152]

Postat inițial de Bɪʟʟ Cɪᴘʜᴇʀ:

Postat inițial de The Lone Player:

First of all, I just realized that that is so true. I can write these giant walls of text and yet have the hardest times reading through walls of texts. Quite strange. Anyways, I didn't realize that before. Although the theory that Sans and Papyrus are parts of Gaster, or at least closely related to Gaster, is because all skeletons, named after and talk in a font, Sans and Papyrus supposedly just showed up in Snowdin out of nowhere, Sans is really tough and mysterious, and Papyrus has really good control of his magic, seeing that it's impossible for him to kill you and yet Toriel can, and the small hint that he has a Gaster blaster if you do a genocide run, spare Papyrus, go on the date, and interact with his box of attacks. Wow, I rambled on for a bit. Anyways, thanks for the feedback and I'll be looking into the fact that everyone else is gray.

I think all skeletons in the Undertale universe just might be named after fonts, personally. But sans is definitely connected to Gaster somehow. I think he just works with him. The anamoly in the spacetime continuum would be something that Gaster found it, and it's referring to the player, so Gaster probably sent Sans off to try and figure out what the player wants or if he's going to do any damage. Sans just watches you until you get bored and do a genocide run. The largest evidence to this theory of the player as a higher dimensional entity is that when you beat Pacifist run and launch the game again, Flowey pops up and begs you not to reset and let "Frisk live his life." Who is he talking to? He can't be talking to Frisk! He's talking to the player!

While Flowey does get very meta at times, it's impossible for any of them to know about the player. Now, at the end of that speech, Flowey uses the name that the player chose for Chara, which is supposed to be a form of directly talking to the player. But let's take a step back for a moment. If you were to choose a name like Spoopy, then that's the name that Flowey would use. He has no way of knowing what the player's name is, and by extension, he has no way of knowing about the existence of the player. However, he does know of the existence of Chara. He knows of the power they hold, and knows that in the end, they are the one that controls everything, and this is most apparent at the end of a genocide run due to the fact that Chara literally takes over and no longer allows you to get a true pacifist ending. Man. Undertale is really complicated. Once you start to try and figure out it's deeper story, there just so many different mysteries that all somehow have to come together and make one big deeper story. I feel like it's going to be a long time until anyone truly solves the mysteries of Undertale.

[GameHero152]

Yeah. That's true. The whole game references the player a ton. By doing a neutral run the way a normal player would go into the game blindly, Sans will say that it's like you already knew what would happen, referencing that the player just expects that what they do is right because of experience from past RPGs. Not to mention that the name Chara is just a shortened verion of the word character. Just a body to act as a puppet. You know, that's another difficult thing to fit into the timeline of Undertale, the fact that the player has a huge role as a character themselves in the universe. Not to mention that I think Toby Fox has said on Twitter before that there would be official Undertale comics and another game that focuses on a character we've never seen before. At least I think he said that stuff. Man, and people thought that the FNaF lore was difficult to solve. Undertale is on a whole nother level!

[GameHero152]

I have to say that one thing I didn't mention in my theory is the two other people. It's apparent that in the Gaster situation, there are two more people involved. It's shown in the Gaster dialogue Dark, Darker, Yet even darker, and in the drawing in Sans' lab when you interact with the clam girl. I honeslty don't know much of how they fit in, but they are probably pretty important, seeing as how in the Asriel fight, Sans' lost soul says "youll never see em again." I don't know. Undertale is confusing and I really need to think about every single mystery and plot point there is in Undertale before trying to continue this theory or make a new one. I need to make a list.

[GameHero152]

*sigh* I've got a lot of thinking to do now. Thanks for all the feedback Bill Cipher. I hope that Gravity Falls fans will find your statue soon.

[prickly muffin]

I only read the summary bc I can't read the long paragraph bc I'm getting distracted,but pretty good theory.

[Thundercracker]

Postat inițial de Bɪʟʟ Cɪᴘʜᴇʀ:

Also who is Chara talking to at the end? That is 100% the player, there is no denying that. The player definitely plays a role in the story.

i seriously doubt toby had a character in the game ask the actual human player to "sell their soul." the instant it came to the attention of a religious fundamantalist, the game would get no end of bad press.

chara = character. RPG = role playing game. character does not equal player, it is a role the player has taken on.

Postat inițial de The Lone Player:

Yeah. That's true. The whole game references the player a ton. By doing a neutral run the way a normal player would go into the game blindly, Sans will say that it's like you already knew what would happen, referencing that the player just expects that what they do is right because of experience from past RPGs. Not to mention that the name Chara is just a shortened verion of the word character. Just a body to act as a puppet. You know, that's another difficult thing to fit into the timeline of Undertale, the fact that the player has a huge role as a character themselves in the universe. Not to mention that I think Toby Fox has said on Twitter before that there would be official Undertale comics and another game that focuses on a character we've never seen before. At least I think he said that stuff. Man, and people thought that the FNaF lore was difficult to solve. Undertale is on a whole nother level!

this is not sans addressing the player! this is sans showing he has in-universe knowledge that timelines have been reset.

OP: holes in theory. 1. we do not know gaster is a skelleton. "gaster" is not a font, nor is "w.d." yes, you can manipulate the name to get fonts, but is any manipulation required with sans or papyrus? also, gaster's possible sprites look more like that one thing from the surreal japanese game about the shut-in than a skeleton.

2. standard fan theory is that FUN = Functional Universe Number.

3. sans cant "go back". you explain this by way of genocide's "consumption" of timelines. however, even when you do not "consume" timelines (for example, a deathless pacifist run), sans still cannot "go back." the broken machine probably has more to do with sans being stuck than anything the player is involved in.

4. in truth, gaster is likely a red herring, specifically designed to be mysterious and to look like unfinished or cut content.

5. paragraphs. use them please.

[Thundercracker]

Postat inițial de Bɪʟʟ Cɪᴘʜᴇʀ:

Postat inițial de Your Best Friend:

i seriously doubt toby had a character in the game ask the actual human player to "sell their soul." the instant it came to the attention of a religious fundamantalist, the game would get no end of bad press.

Holy crap you are possibly the most naive person I've ever met! Do you really think that's how the world works?

it already cought flak from fundamentalists from just a discription of what sans looks like.

i suppose you've also never heard of the disney boycotts and other such action? religious fundamantalists make up a not insignificant portion of the poopulation of the united states, the largest market for the game. stuff happens when they get upset as a whole.

you really have to be careful about who you can potentially offend when you sell a product that the primary audience has a significant portion of minors.

heh, naive. i base my statements on several decades of paying attention to the entertainment industry. i would not suggest it if it has not happened before.

[probably wowie]

i'm seeing lines because of the textwall ;-;