Flowey's Magical Transformation Powers - SPOILERS

[Supreme™ [Kef]]

Why is Flowey only able to transform into Asriel in the pacifist ending? In the neutral ending he absorbs the six human souls, whereas in the pacifist ending he absorbs the monster souls as well. I have thought about this a lot and have done my research and have concluded that there is no reason Flowey should not be able to transform in the neutral ending. It obviously isn't Flowey's desire to maintain his form, so it definitely isn't his desire to do so in neutral. This could well be a plot hole, but what if while Flowey was absorbing the monster souls, he somehow managed to absorb the soul of Asriel, who promptly took possession of his mind? It would certainly explain why Flowey suddenly feels content after the completion of a pacifist route. Please leave ideas and comments below.

[dat_potatoe]

Asriel's Soul doesn't exist anymore. It's why Asriel is doomed to revert back to a flower after giving everyone their souls back. If Asriel's soul did exist then obviously 'Flowey' would hang onto it, because it's his soul and unlike the other souls there's no one to give it back to but himself.

Flowey's mind IS Asriel's mind. Asriel just happens to be a massive ♥♥♥♥ when his source of compassion is nonexistent.

[fushigi friend]

The reason he turned into Asreil from the monster souls is because all the monster souls in the underground in equal to one human soul, and with that he had 7 souls. He used the power of his souls to become Asreil (but all godlike and stuff)

[Supreme™ [Kef]]

Originally posted by dat_potatoe:

Asriel's Soul doesn't exist anymore. It's why Asriel is doomed to revert back to a flower after giving everyone their souls back. If Asriel's soul did exist then obviously 'Flowey' would hang onto it, because it's his soul and unlike the other souls there's no one to give it back to but himself.

Flowey's mind IS Asriel's mind. Asriel just happens to be a massive ♥♥♥♥ when his source of compassion is nonexistent.

Not necessarily. There are frequent references to the fact that a monster wielding human souls would obtain 'immense power', but no other information is given. Also, Flowey, post-pacifist Asriel and pre-undertale Asriel could be three different entities, the first two perhaps unaware of each other's existence. After all, what is Asriel doing ifs the First Room?

Originally posted by A person:

The reason he turned into Asreil from the monster souls is because all the monster souls in the underground in equal to one human soul, and with that he had 7 souls. He used the power of his souls to become Asreil (but all godlike and stuff)

But did it? Don't forget that his soul was merged with that of a human's, which is able to persist after death. Asriel's soul could have been preserved in this manner. Also, many monsters died after the war, and so the current number of monster souls may not be enough to break the barrier. However, if Flowey possessed the merged souls of Chara and Asriel, this could be done.

[fushigi friend]

Originally posted by عزرائيل الحالم:

Originally posted by dat_potatoe:

Asriel's Soul doesn't exist anymore. It's why Asriel is doomed to revert back to a flower after giving everyone their souls back. If Asriel's soul did exist then obviously 'Flowey' would hang onto it, because it's his soul and unlike the other souls there's no one to give it back to but himself.

Flowey's mind IS Asriel's mind. Asriel just happens to be a massive ♥♥♥♥ when his source of compassion is nonexistent.

Not necessarily. There are frequent references to the fact that a monster wielding human souls would obtain 'immense power', but no other information is given. Also, Flowey, post-pacifist Asriel and pre-undertale Asriel could be three different entities, the first two perhaps unaware of each other's existence. After all, what is Asriel doing ifs the First Room?

Originally posted by A person:

The reason he turned into Asreil from the monster souls is because all the monster souls in the underground in equal to one human soul, and with that he had 7 souls. He used the power of his souls to become Asreil (but all godlike and stuff)

But did it? Don't forget that his soul was merged with that of a human's, which is able to persist after death. Asriel's soul could have been preserved in this manner. Also, many monsters died after the war, and so the current number of monster souls may not be enough to break the barrier. However, if Flowey possessed the merged souls of Chara and Asriel, this could be done.

The human souls could persist after death, but the monster souls couldn't.
Also, the sign was written after the war, most likly, because the war had taken place above ground, with the end of it resulting in the humans trapping monsters underground.

[Supreme™ [Kef]]

Originally posted by A person:

Originally posted by عزرائيل الحالم:

Not necessarily. There are frequent references to the fact that a monster wielding human souls would obtain 'immense power', but no other information is given. Also, Flowey, post-pacifist Asriel and pre-undertale Asriel could be three different entities, the first two perhaps unaware of each other's existence. After all, what is Asriel doing ifs the First Room?


But did it? Don't forget that his soul was merged with that of a human's, which is able to persist after death. Asriel's soul could have been preserved in this manner. Also, many monsters died after the war, and so the current number of monster souls may not be enough to break the barrier. However, if Flowey possessed the merged souls of Chara and Asriel, this could be done.

The human souls could persist after death, but the monster souls couldn't.
Also, the sign was written after the war, most likly, because the war had taken place above ground, with the end of it resulting in the humans trapping monsters underground.

The mention of the sign is a fair enough point, but the game doesn't actually tell using anything about combined monster-human beings' souls.

[Talos]

But, if Asriel turned back to a flower after breaking the barrier and returning all the souls, how come if instead of leaving the underground and go back to the beginning, at end of true pacifist, he is standing by the flowers (In asriel form) where you first fell?

[fushigi friend]

Originally posted by clamchowder10:

But, if Asriel turned back to a flower after breaking the barrier and returning all the souls, how come if instead of leaving the underground and go back to the beginning, at end of true pacifist, he is standing by the flowers (In asriel form) where you first fell?

He's still a goat, because he still has the effects of the souls. When you leave, the effect of the souls were off and he becomes a flower again.

[ezel]

I feel like your purity in the pacifist ending calls out to Asriel similarly to Chara in the Geno ending

[Firedemon72]

Asriel's dust was spread across Asgore's garden, and the first golden flower to bloom was injected with determination by Alphys. She reports the flower to disappear, so that flower was quite obviously Flowey. Flowey was made with Asriel's dust, therefore, flowey is Asriel. Boss monsters age by absorbing other boss monsters' souls, specifically their parents' souls. By absorbing their souls along with everyone else's It should've given him enough power to regenerate his body. Not to mention that after he turns back to Flowey(after booting up the game after a true pacifist run), he retains Asriel's memories. And don't say that when you say continue you can see Asriel, proving that they are separate beings, you are loading a save, not re-entering the underground, as you can go to the surface and the cutscene where the monsters enter the surface will play. Another explanation could be that even when Asriel had the power of 7 human souls, it still took a trigger for him to regain his compassion. During the Omega Flowey fight, he was focused purely on killing you and taking your soul. The player only tries to spare him after the power of the souls left him. His emotions might also have a trigger that can be activated through violence, because in the genocide route, when you threaten him, he can feel fear, even without the human souls. So I think he is still Asriel, It just takes the souls for him to have his own body. Sorry if this was a bit unclear, I'm not gonna proofread this.