something i found odd about undertale

[mista cob isolation]

why didn't flowey just take the human souls, cross the barrier, take more souls, become a god, take over the world, etc
it bothers me, not because i hate this game but because it just confuses me why he couldnt do that (considering he was the most determined creature for a while)

[Strider VM]

Also he can't because Asgore prevented Flowey from doing so as well. So is Sans.

AFAIK the power of determination ends once you leave the underground.

[DanEgbert]

Originally posted by nerd:

why didn't flowey just take the human souls, cross the barrier, take more souls, become a god, take over the world, etc
it bothers me, not because i hate this game but because it just confuses me why he couldnt do that (considering he was the most determined creature for a while)

He was too curious to see what would happen if he did this or that. In fact he said that he read every book, to do that he would have to cross the barrier, so maybe he did want to become a god, he just wanted to "see all the endings first".

Originally posted by ストライダー VM:

Also he can't because Asgore prevented Flowey from doing so as well. So is Sans.

AFAIK the power of determination ends once you leave the underground.

Technically, it doesn't and shouldn't end, based on the fact you can still do a true reset. Unless Toby Fox confirmed that there is no determination out of the underground, then there should still be some. Also the fact it that the humans that locked the monsters underground didn't enchant it so you only can use determination in there and not in the real world, that would be stupid. And the combination of 7 human souls would have to work outside the barrier because it is a god, and gods could change time and space (not seriously, just joking). But it should still work no matter whether or not you're underground or not.

[Dummpkopf (ako)]

He couldn't get Asgore to show him where the SOULs where, no matter what he did. He explains this at New Home in the genocide route.

[mista cob isolation]

Originally posted by ストライダー VM:

Also he can't because Asgore prevented Flowey from doing so as well. So is Sans.

AFAIK the power of determination ends once you leave the underground.

flowey could kill asgore and sans in his omega form very easily
also sans wouldnt be there, because he barely knows flowey, and he would be too lazy
asgore also wouldnt see him coming most likely
are you sure? because you can still reset even after the true pacifist ending.

Originally posted by WADI:

He couldn't get Asgore to show him where the SOULs where, no matter what he did. He explains this at New Home in the genocide route.

well maybe after the 1st neutral route, he goes and takes them (because he's one of the only creatures that can remember resets) goes to the surface, kills 99999 people, comes back, steals frisks soul with the omega super frick powers he has, and then becomes super god!!!

[Dummpkopf (ako)]

Originally posted by nerd:

well maybe after the 1st neutral route, he goes and takes them (because he's one of the only creatures that can remember resets) goes to the surface, kills 99999 people, comes back, steals frisks soul with the omega super frick powers he has, and then becomes super god!!!

Flowey doesn't remember anything after a True Reset, so he can't know where the SOULs are until Asgore shows them.

[Strider VM]

Originally posted by nerd:

Originally posted by ストライダー VM:

Also he can't because Asgore prevented Flowey from doing so as well. So is Sans.

AFAIK the power of determination ends once you leave the underground.

flowey could kill asgore and sans in his omega form very easily
also sans wouldnt be there, because he barely knows flowey, and he would be too lazy
asgore also wouldnt see him coming most likely
are you sure? because you can still reset even after the true pacifist ending.

I remember there was dialogue from Flowey that specifically mentioned that Sans caused Flowey numerous resets.

Also Sans dialog before the True Pacifist route final fight insinuates he knows Flowey and perhaps what he is doing to the player as well. ("Haven't you beaten this guy yet? This guy's got nothin on you.")

[mista cob isolation]

Originally posted by ストライダー VM:

Originally posted by nerd:

flowey could kill asgore and sans in his omega form very easily
also sans wouldnt be there, because he barely knows flowey, and he would be too lazy
asgore also wouldnt see him coming most likely
are you sure? because you can still reset even after the true pacifist ending.

I remember there was dialogue from Flowey that specifically mentioned that Sans caused Flowey numerous resets.

yes, probably because he didnt absorb the souls or he was doing a pacifist first. regardless, omega flowey could just kill sans in 2 or 3 hits, or just even erase his existence.

[mista cob isolation]

Originally posted by WADI:

Originally posted by nerd:

well maybe after the 1st neutral route, he goes and takes them (because he's one of the only creatures that can remember resets) goes to the surface, kills 99999 people, comes back, steals frisks soul with the omega super frick powers he has, and then becomes super god!!!

Flowey doesn't remember anything after a True Reset, so he can't know where the SOULs are until Asgore shows them.

yes but he remembers normal resets

[MissCassidy]

Originally posted by WADI:

He couldn't get Asgore to show him where the SOULs where, no matter what he did. He explains this at New Home in the genocide route.

He also says in the Neutral Ending he couldn't have ever get past Asgore without your help by weakining him.

So maybe even with 6 souls Asgore would still be a big obstacle for Flowey.

[mista cob isolation]

Originally posted by Bacon #HelpImAddictedToFallout:

Originally posted by WADI:

He couldn't get Asgore to show him where the SOULs where, no matter what he did. He explains this at New Home in the genocide route.

He also says in the Neutral Ending he couldn't have ever get past Asgore without your help by weakining him.

So maybe even with 6 souls Asgore would still be a big obstacle for Flowey.

na, flowey would kill him. but maybe he could just sneak past him?

[MissCassidy]

Originally posted by nerd:

Originally posted by Bacon #HelpImAddictedToFallout:

He also says in the Neutral Ending he couldn't have ever get past Asgore without your help by weakining him.

So maybe even with 6 souls Asgore would still be a big obstacle for Flowey.

na, flowey would kill him. but maybe he could just sneak past him?

Or Flowey couldn't pull himself through a fight against his father..
After all, delivering the final blow is something entirely different.

[vømy]

Originally posted by nerd:

why didn't flowey just take the human souls, cross the barrier, take more souls, become a god, take over the world, etc
it bothers me, not because i hate this game but because it just confuses me why he couldnt do that (considering he was the most determined creature for a while)

Well in order to break the barrier you need 7 human souls. And Flowey only asborbed 6 that's why you fight Omega Flowey as he tries to take yours.

[~FieryFox~]

Originally posted by danman3210:

Originally posted by nerd:

why didn't flowey just take the human souls, cross the barrier, take more souls, become a god, take over the world, etc
it bothers me, not because i hate this game but because it just confuses me why he couldnt do that (considering he was the most determined creature for a while)

He was too curious to see what would happen if he did this or that. In fact he said that he read every book, to do that he would have to cross the barrier, so maybe he did want to become a god, he just wanted to "see all the endings first".

Originally posted by ストライダー VM:

Also he can't because Asgore prevented Flowey from doing so as well. So is Sans.

AFAIK the power of determination ends once you leave the underground.

Technically, it doesn't and shouldn't end, based on the fact you can still do a true reset. Unless Toby Fox confirmed that there is no determination out of the underground, then there should still be some. Also the fact it that the humans that locked the monsters underground didn't enchant it so you only can use determination in there and not in the real world, that would be stupid. And the combination of 7 human souls would have to work outside the barrier because it is a god, and gods could change time and space (not seriously, just joking). But it should still work no matter whether or not you're underground or not.

talk about a necro lmao but its obvious the power to reset is not frisks its chara power flowey even says so at the end

[DanEgbert]

Originally posted by ~FieryFox~:

Originally posted by danman3210:

He was too curious to see what would happen if he did this or that. In fact he said that he read every book, to do that he would have to cross the barrier, so maybe he did want to become a god, he just wanted to "see all the endings first".




Technically, it doesn't and shouldn't end, based on the fact you can still do a true reset. Unless Toby Fox confirmed that there is no determination out of the underground, then there should still be some. Also the fact it that the humans that locked the monsters underground didn't enchant it so you only can use determination in there and not in the real world, that would be stupid. And the combination of 7 human souls would have to work outside the barrier because it is a god, and gods could change time and space (not seriously, just joking). But it should still work no matter whether or not you're underground or not.

talk about a necro lmao but its obvious the power to reset is not frisks its chara power flowey even says so at the end

Technically, it was neither's. While Flowey was begging Chara not to Reset, yet again, he might have confused someone else as Chara. He thought that the Player was Chara. The Player has the power to reset because the player has more determination and knowledge than anyone in any timeline because they come from the "Real World".