Why is everyone acting like I'm evil?

[he™]

First I accidentally punched a dummy. Then Toriel kinda just self-destructed and lost the remaining 40% of her health for some reason. After that I went around playing fetch, complementing people, and having flexing contests. at the end, the king murdered me 30 times and forced me to beat him up, before getting killed. And yet multiple times people like Undyne or Sans acted like I was a genocidal maniac. At the end, I was given an offer to redeem myself after doing literally nothing wrong except for thinking a dummy isn't alive.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

It was from killing Toriel, and if you killed anyone else you aren’t mentioning. Sans’s dialogue isn’t nearly as harsh as you are implying if you only killed one person. In fact, I’m pretty sure he just assumes you killed out of self-defense.

Undyne only befriends you if you kill no one, as she is one of the major checks for getting Pacifist. The one person you killed just also happened to be the one person that would have taken over after Asgore, and made the monsters be peaceful towards humans.

The training dummy doesn’t count towards anything, and Mad Dummy fights you regardless (you also can’t kill them unless you’re on the actual evil route).

[Spartan Delta 27]

As Asriel pointed out, it takes more than just one kill to make Sans harsh in judgment. I believe something like Level 3 is the cutoff for where he stops thinking it was self defense.

Toriel can be saved in future Playthroughs by spamming the "Spare" Option during her fight. Accidentally killing her is an honest mistake and I even heard one YouTuber defending it as "Essential" for a Blind Playthrough, seeing as it can have a massive emotional impact. Ultimately, you were just following her instructions and trying to prove your ability to defend yourself.

Also, as mentioned above, the Dummy and Napstablook do not count towards a "Kill" Count or for EXP. At least, that is how I understand it.

[he™]

Originally posted by That One Guy:

How did Toriel "self-destruct?" I didn't see that even though I played through Undertale a lot.

my attacks did about 50 dmg. after failing to talk to her and pressing spare about 10 times each, or ever going to sleep 3 times(some voice told me I'm their only hope after the 3rd one), I tried attacking her to get her health low and see if that works. I planned to stop when I'm 1 hit away and try something else but she suddenly lost 40% (300) of her remaining health after one of my hits. I even thought her death was part of the tutorial and unaviodable, but she'd comeback cuz she just tricked me into thinking I killed her.

[he™]

Originally posted by Spartan Delta 27:

As Asriel pointed out, it takes more than just one kill to make Sans harsh in judgment. I believe something like Level 3 is the cutoff for where he stops thinking it was self defense.

Toriel can be saved in future Playthroughs by spamming the "Spare" Option during her fight. Accidentally killing her is an honest mistake and I even heard one YouTuber defending it as "Essential" for a Blind Playthrough, seeing as it can have a massive emotional impact. Ultimately, you were just following her instructions and trying to prove your ability to defend yourself.

Also, as mentioned above, the Dummy and Napstablook do not count towards a "Kill" Count or for EXP. At least, that is how I understand it.

you get from 0 xp to lvl 5 if you kill her

[joshuabaker121]

Originally posted by he™:

Originally posted by Spartan Delta 27:

As Asriel pointed out, it takes more than just one kill to make Sans harsh in judgment. I believe something like Level 3 is the cutoff for where he stops thinking it was self defense.

Toriel can be saved in future Playthroughs by spamming the "Spare" Option during her fight. Accidentally killing her is an honest mistake and I even heard one YouTuber defending it as "Essential" for a Blind Playthrough, seeing as it can have a massive emotional impact. Ultimately, you were just following her instructions and trying to prove your ability to defend yourself.

Also, as mentioned above, the Dummy and Napstablook do not count towards a "Kill" Count or for EXP. At least, that is how I understand it.

you get from 0 xp to lvl 5 if you kill her

All the way to LV 5? That sounds like you did the betrayal kill. Did she warn you about Asgore afterwards, or mention that you attacked her at her "most vulnerable moment"?

[he™]

Originally posted by joshuabaker121:

Originally posted by he™:

you get from 0 xp to lvl 5 if you kill her

All the way to LV 5? That sounds like you did the betrayal kill. Did she warn you about Asgore afterwards, or mention that you attacked her at her "most vulnerable moment"?

I remember her telling me that his plans must not be allowed or something, but other than that idk what a betrayal kill is.

[Spartan Delta 27]

Originally posted by he™:

Originally posted by joshuabaker121:

All the way to LV 5? That sounds like you did the betrayal kill. Did she warn you about Asgore afterwards, or mention that you attacked her at her "most vulnerable moment"?

I remember her telling me that his plans must not be allowed or something, but other than that idk what a betrayal kill is.

A Betrayal Kill is when you get a Monster to Spare you (Their Name turns Yellow) and then you attack them, instantly killing them. Toriel's Name does not turn Yellow if I recall correctly, but it is still possible to do a Betrayal Kill on her if you Spare her many times and then attack when she stops attacking you.

[OrangeBear]

Gaining any amount of exp (execution points, not experience) in undertale will cause undyne to not like you, meaning the pacifist ending becomes unobtainable and sans of course will judge you based on it.

You tend to do more damage to bosses the lower their health is to make it more impactful. You decided to kill toriel, however you could have kept sparing her until she gives up, even though her name wasn't yellow. Also you have to kill asgore, but if you decided to do pacifist a new option will be available after doing the neutral ending. The mad dummy will always fight you.

The monsters you encounter are different from normal rpg monsters in that they eventually stop appearing as they are finite. If you decide to go "grind" and and kill as many monsters as possible you will enter a "genocide" route. And if you decide to kill nobody, gaining no exp or LV you will get a pacifist. If you do a mixture you get neutral which is what you get.

[he™]

Originally posted by rooflessbear:

Gaining any amount of exp (execution points, not experience) in undertale will cause undyne to not like you, meaning the pacifist ending becomes unobtainable and sans of course will judge you based on it.

You tend to do more damage to bosses the lower their health is to make it more impactful. You decided to kill toriel, however you could have kept sparing her until she gives up, even though her name wasn't yellow. Also you have to kill asgore, but if you decided to do pacifist a new option will be available after doing the neutral ending. The mad dummy will always fight you.

The monsters you encounter are different from normal rpg monsters in that they eventually stop appearing as they are finite. If you decide to go "grind" and and kill as many monsters as possible you will enter a "genocide" route. And if you decide to kill nobody, gaining no exp or LV you will get a pacifist. If you do a mixture you get neutral which is what you get.

But everyone keeps explaining game mechanics. I'm complaining that this seemingly great game, with great freedom of choice, everyone keeps recommending, made no sense when I played it.

[Spartan Delta 27]

Originally posted by rooflessbear:

Gaining any amount of exp (execution points, not experience) in undertale will cause undyne to not like you

Even in Pacifist, she was still pretty hostile and dismissive at first. Even though I love the Cooking Lesson, I really do not like her... So I suppose the feeling is mutual.

Originally posted by he™:

But everyone keeps explaining game mechanics. I'm complaining that this seemingly great game, with great freedom of choice, everyone keeps recommending, made no sense when I played it.

I agree that it seems a bit silly for so many Monsters to react so bizarrely to the death of one Character (Who kind of dropped off the map for so long that no one even knows who they are anymore). If killing Toriel does indeed get you straight to Level 5, that does seem extreme for what would otherwise be a relatively "Neutral" Playthrough.

Still, the Game is very enjoyable and not worth dismissing based upon that alone in my opinion.

[TheManWithTheFlannel]

Don't attack toriel! if your health gets down to 1 or 2 (i can't remember), her attacks will avoid you!