I have a theory about undyne and asgore

[BIKING VIKING]

So, I was wondering if when you get a major, lifelong scar on in the underground, (metaphorically or phsicley) you shall obtain the ability to summon a weapon that represents that event. let me explain.

Apparently, Undyne lot her eye during spear practise with Asgore, leaving many lifelong disabilitys to her vision, and the weapon she can summon is a blue spear. The same weapon that knocked her eye out.

Asgore however, experienced more emotional incidents. his children lost her lives, his wife left him, and you know the story. Now, when Asgore pulled out his trident, you probably didn't even think that it was a weapon similar to Undynes, as he pulls it out of his cloak, rather than summons it. Well if he only had one trident, how did he get another after he destroyed the MERCY button? he sort of threw it away. And I refuse to believe it was under his cloak all this time. That thing is bigger than king Asgore himself!

But how is the tridents appearance linked to his loss? Ill tell you how. the trident has three points, a big one and two small ones. the biggest one represents Asgore and Toriel, and the other two is the two children, Asreil and Chara. At the bottom of the tridents top is a flower. A buttercup. The same type of flower that killed them.
So, the trident in’st a weapon, its representation of a story. the three dreamers lived together happily until the children walked down the trident, to the flower, and off the edge.

So after all that one question remains: how did Asgore have the trident in the intro cutscene? Well, he probably used a metal one in the battle between humans and monsters or something like that.

Did you like my theory? do you have any questions or things that proof it wrong? if you did, please tell me politley in the reply section.

Thanks for reading!

[the voices give me callouts]

Originally posted by Fred:

It's a cool idea! But how would something like Sans' Ghaster Blasters work into this idea?

Maybe he fired a blaster into his eye once and that gave him the bad time eye?

[BIKING VIKING]

Ok, ive been seeing a lot of comments about sans and his magic.If you analise his diologe in the genocide fight, its clear that he is depressed because of flowy constantly reseting the timeline over and over, making it so that even if sans did end his own life he would come back, again and again. Sans probaly hates his own existence or even blames this on himself as depression can misslead you to beleve some realy dark things that are not true at all. Sans is of corse, a skeliton and he is made of bones, so he can summon bones, because he just hates himself that much.

Now for his gaster blasters. their called gaster blasters, so I wouldent be suprised if gaster taught him how to use them. also, jevil kicked the baby's idea about someone blasted one at him and gave him the blue and yellow eye that glows when he unleashes maximum amounts of power is beliveable to. either way, they could both be true.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Ok, ive been seeing a lot of comments about sans and his magic.If you analise his diologe in the genocide fight, its clear that he is depressed because of flowy constantly reseting the timeline over and over, making it so that even if sans did end his own life he would come back, again and again. Sans probaly hates his own existence or even blames this on himself as depression can misslead you to beleve some realy dark things that are not true at all. Sans is of corse, a skeliton and he is made of bones, so he can summon bones, because he just hates himself that much.

Now for his gaster blasters. their called gaster blasters, so I wouldent be suprised if gaster taught him how to use them. also, jevil kicked the baby's idea about someone blasted one at him and gave him the blue and yellow eye that glows when he unleashes maximum amounts of power is beliveable to. either way, they could both be true.

Sans doesn’t know about Flowey. The “anomaly” he’s referring to is you. As he says the anomaly eventually causes the timeline to be destroyed which is what happens at the end of the genocide route. That is the reason he fights you, because he knows if he doesn’t, the world will be destroyed.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Where does it talk about Undyne losing her eye in spear practice? Is it a phone call? I honestly always thought she just wore the eyepatch because it looked cool, but her eye was fine.

[BIKING VIKING]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Where does it talk about Undyne losing her eye in spear practice? Is it a phone call? I honestly always thought she just wore the eyepatch because it looked cool, but her eye was fine.

I think I saw it in an undertale wiki. Not sure if its an offical though.

[BIKING VIKING]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Ok, ive been seeing a lot of comments about sans and his magic.If you analise his diologe in the genocide fight, its clear that he is depressed because of flowy constantly reseting the timeline over and over, making it so that even if sans did end his own life he would come back, again and again. Sans probaly hates his own existence or even blames this on himself as depression can misslead you to beleve some realy dark things that are not true at all. Sans is of corse, a skeliton and he is made of bones, so he can summon bones, because he just hates himself that much.

Now for his gaster blasters. their called gaster blasters, so I wouldent be suprised if gaster taught him how to use them. also, jevil kicked the baby's idea about someone blasted one at him and gave him the blue and yellow eye that glows when he unleashes maximum amounts of power is beliveable to. either way, they could both be true.

Sans doesn’t know about Flowey. The “anomaly” he’s referring to is you. As he says the anomaly eventually causes the timeline to be destroyed which is what happens at the end of the genocide route. That is the reason he fights you, because he knows if he doesn’t, the world will be destroyed.

well either way, he is depressed about constant resets in the timeline.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Where does it talk about Undyne losing her eye in spear practice? Is it a phone call? I honestly always thought she just wore the eyepatch because it looked cool, but her eye was fine.

I think I saw it in an undertale wiki. Not sure if its an offical though.

I didn’t see anything about it on her wiki page.

[BIKING VIKING]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

I think I saw it in an undertale wiki. Not sure if its an offical though.

I didn’t see anything about it on her wiki page.

But in the fight against undyne the undying she had the shape of a spear coming out of her lost eye. Also, if you search up: how did undyne lose her eye on google it clearly states that she lost it
by practicing with spears. or for me at least. I must have been looking on a diffrent wiki one to you, or it has been updated.

[Zoracs]

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Apparently, Undyne lot her eye during spear practise with Asgore, leaving many lifelong disabilitys to her vision, and the weapon she can summon is a blue spear. The same weapon that knocked her eye out.

I was about to ask how you knew what color the spear was, but

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Where does it talk about Undyne losing her eye in spear practice? Is it a phone call? I honestly always thought she just wore the eyepatch because it looked cool, but her eye was fine.

I think I saw it in an undertale wiki. Not sure if its an offical though.

Good to know at least.


I like the idea of this theory though. What their weapons are is never explained, but we do know that monsters have magic. The symbolism behind Asgore's trident was also a nice touch. Whether this theory about lifelong scarring is real or not, I'm sure that was intentional.

This might be over-complicating things though, it really could just be as simple as magic weapons. That would explain Sans' Gaster Blasters too. We don't even know if there was an 'original weapon' actually. If anything, something like this might go against the lore of undertale, because this kind of sounds similar to determination. But hey, that might just be me.

Also, thank you for spacing out your post. It was a lot easier to read and I appreciate the time you took doing that :)

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I didn’t see anything about it on her wiki page.

But in the fight against undyne the undying she had the shape of a spear coming out of her lost eye. Also, if you search up: how did undyne lose her eye on google it clearly states that she lost it
by practicing with spears. or for me at least. I must have been looking on a diffrent wiki one to you, or it has been updated.

The one that came up was just a fan theory on amino.

[BIKING VIKING]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

But in the fight against undyne the undying she had the shape of a spear coming out of her lost eye. Also, if you search up: how did undyne lose her eye on google it clearly states that she lost it
by practicing with spears. or for me at least. I must have been looking on a diffrent wiki one to you, or it has been updated.

The one that came up was just a fan theory on amino.

Ok,

Originally posted by Zoracs:

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Apparently, Undyne lot her eye during spear practise with Asgore, leaving many lifelong disabilitys to her vision, and the weapon she can summon is a blue spear. The same weapon that knocked her eye out.

I was about to ask how you knew what color the spear was, but

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

I think I saw it in an undertale wiki. Not sure if its an offical though.

Good to know at least.


I like the idea of this theory though. What their weapons are is never explained, but we do know that monsters have magic. The symbolism behind Asgore's trident was also a nice touch. Whether this theory about lifelong scarring is real or not, I'm sure that was intentional.

This might be over-complicating things though, it really could just be as simple as magic weapons. That would explain Sans' Gaster Blasters too. We don't even know if there was an 'original weapon' actually. If anything, something like this might go against the lore of undertale, because this kind of sounds similar to determination. But hey, that might just be me.

Also, thank you for spacing out your post. It was a lot easier to read and I appreciate the time you took doing that :)

Aww, thanks for the nice comment! I spent a lot of time writing this and thinking it through so that puts a smile on my face. Can we disscus the determination thing though? I'm not quite sure what you mean.

[BIKING VIKING]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

But in the fight against undyne the undying she had the shape of a spear coming out of her lost eye. Also, if you search up: how did undyne lose her eye on google it clearly states that she lost it
by practicing with spears. or for me at least. I must have been looking on a diffrent wiki one to you, or it has been updated.

The one that came up was just a fan theory on amino.

Do you agree with it though? im intrested to know your opinion.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

The one that came up was just a fan theory on amino.

Do you agree with it though? im intrested to know your opinion.

So if you notice Gerson, the turtle shopkeeper, keeps his right eye closed. It’s possible he lost his eye during the Monster Human War. We know that Undyne looked up to Gerson.

I suspect that Undyne’s eye is actually fine. She found the eyepatch in the same place she found the Jolly Roger flag she gave to Papyrus. She just wears the eyepatch as a sort of tribute to Gerson (though she wears hers on the opposite eye) and because she thinks it makes her look like an anime character.

[Zoracs]

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Can we disscus the determination thing though? I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea behind your theory is that, if a monster receive some sort of scar, be it physical or emotional, they become linked to a weapon, and can summon it from wherever it is, whenever they may need it.

I'm not sure how to explain it, but that ability sounds like a variation of determination. Not the same exact thing, but it sounds like it could be something very similar. Of course we know monsters can't normally handle determination, and while this could be tolerable for stronger monsters like Undyne and Asgore, that brings up the question if Undyne could handle "mini-determination" at her younger age.

That bit about it being similar to determination was really just a little side note though, a random idea I threw out there. What I find hard to believe in this whole theory is that an emotional scar can create a tangible weapon. It just sounds like a stretch, but we are talking about magical monster powers, so

Even though I wouldn't side with this theory, I still think it's really cool though. It got me all excited and thinking about stuff. Thank you for posting, I very thoroughly enjoyed reading this

[Zoracs]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by littlefrillymonster:

Do you agree with it though? im intrested to know your opinion.

So if you notice Gerson, the turtle shopkeeper, keeps his right eye closed. It’s possible he lost his eye during the Monster Human War. We know that Undyne looked up to Gerson.

I suspect that Undyne’s eye is actually fine. She found the eyepatch in the same place she found the Jolly Roger flag she gave to Papyrus. She just wears the eyepatch as a sort of tribute to Gerson (though she wears hers on the opposite eye) and because she thinks it makes her look like an anime character.

The fact that she's wearing it on the opposite side makes me suspicious of it being a tribute for Gerson. It would be such a simple detail to get right, and Undyne especially would want to properly honor her hero.

So if that's the case, which anime character is Undyne a reference to?