Undyne should be able to revert Genocide

[Exarch_Alpha]

So eventually you get pissed you can´t get rid of Chara in your pacifist endings. I thought of a way Toby could have added.

1- Do genocide run as usual.
2- When you fight Undyne talk to her and tell her about Chara as she isn´t aware of exactly WHAT she is fighting. Filling her with even MORE determination, as she now knows who the enemy really is. Die to her.
3- But... it won´t die. Chara will resurface.
4- You assume Undyne´s role and destroy/make Chara hibernate again. There you go. Clean Pacfist again.

Why?

Because if Chara is the ultimate evil, only Undyne can be the ultimate good. She is the only one that can use the determination of the world to be GOOD. No one can. Not even the human.

[Exarch_Alpha]

No one bothered by this? So the pesky demon being invincible is how it should be?

[Supreme™ [Kef]]

It doesn't make any sense. Undyne is not the 'ultimate good'. She's delusional, and is willing to kill to advance her agenda. The genocide run is irreversible for a reason, and some people aren't able to accept that.

[i'm timming it im sweening it]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

So eventually you get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ you can´t get rid of Chara in your pacifist endings. I thought of a way Toby could have added.

1- Do genocide run as usual.
2- When you fight Undyne talk to her and tell her about Chara as she isn´t aware of exactly WHAT she is fighting. Filling her with even MORE determination, as she now knows who the enemy really is. Die to her.
3- But... it won´t die. Chara will resurface.
4- You assume Undyne´s role and destroy/make Chara hibernate again. There you go. Clean Pacfist again.

Why?

Because if Chara is the ultimate evil, only Undyne can be the ultimate good. She is the only one that can use the determination of the world to be GOOD. No one can. Not even the human.

Originally posted by KeffiyehGote:

It doesn't make any sense. Undyne is not the 'ultimate good'. She's delusional, and is willing to kill to advance her agenda. The genocide run is irreversible for a reason, and some people aren't able to accept that.

genocide is reversible just go to appdata, go into undertale and delete everything, it's like a true reset but getting rid of the genocide run stuff too. although, sans probably would call you a dirty hacker if he could...

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Colep14:

genocide is reversible just go to appdata, go into undertale and delete everything, it's like a true reset but getting rid of the genocide run stuff too. although, sans probably would call you a dirty hacker if he could...

That alone won't get rid of the genocide consequences, just so you know.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by KeffiyehGote:

It doesn't make any sense. Undyne is not the 'ultimate good'. She's delusional, and is willing to kill to advance her agenda. The genocide run is irreversible for a reason, and some people aren't able to accept that.

Says the guy who eats meat every day without giving a ♥♥♥♥ that something was killed. Hypocrite? Yes.

Make it Sans or Toriel, whatever - if there is such a powerful evil, why there can´t be a powerful good? Why the world wasn´t destroyed before? It´s a nihilistic message, and dumb one at that. If you don´t like Undyne just spit it out. But to me she is the only one capable of such a feat.

[Xan42]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Originally posted by KeffiyehGote:

It doesn't make any sense. Undyne is not the 'ultimate good'. She's delusional, and is willing to kill to advance her agenda. The genocide run is irreversible for a reason, and some people aren't able to accept that.

Says the guy who eats meat every day without giving a ♥♥♥♥ that something was killed. Hypocrite? Yes.

Where did that come from?

Anyway, Chara's dead long before the game even begins. They only come back and are a problem because of your actions. Nobody forced you to do genocide, but you did it anyway.
Chara is by no means good, but they're very much a convenient scapegoat for the player who is the real "ultimate evil" of this story. There’s a reason it’s often encouraged to name the fallen child after yourself.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=752038274
If you want an “ultimate good” you have to pretty much take up that role yourself by not doing a genocide run and giving Chara power.

[Supreme™ [Kef]]

Originally posted by Xan42:

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Says the guy who eats meat every day without giving a ♥♥♥♥ that something was killed. Hypocrite? Yes.

Where did that come from?

Anyway, Chara's dead long before the game even begins. They only come back and are a problem because of your actions. Nobody forced you to do genocide, but you did it anyway.
Chara is by no means good, but they're very much a convenient scapegoat for the player who is the real "ultimate evil" of this story. There’s a reason it’s often encouraged to name the fallen child after yourself.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=752038274
If you want an “ultimate good” you have to pretty much take up that role yourself by not doing a genocide run and giving Chara power.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by Xan42:

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Says the guy who eats meat every day without giving a ♥♥♥♥ that something was killed. Hypocrite? Yes.

Where did that come from?

Anyway, Chara's dead long before the game even begins. They only come back and are a problem because of your actions. Nobody forced you to do genocide, but you did it anyway.
Chara is by no means good, but they're very much a convenient scapegoat for the player who is the real "ultimate evil" of this story. There’s a reason it’s often encouraged to name the fallen child after yourself.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=752038274
If you want an “ultimate good” you have to pretty much take up that role yourself by not doing a genocide run and giving Chara power.

Then pray tell me why the world wasn´t destroyed before, specially as it´s clear by what she says she is something ancient? Who defeated her before?

You just have irrational hate of Undyne. I refuse to agree that a stupid ending where a demon takes the world should be irreversible.

[Xan42]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

Then pray tell me why the world wasn´t destroyed before, specially as it´s clear by what she says she is something ancient? Who defeated her before?

The world wasn't destroyed before because Chara was basically another human kid back then (though it can be argued that they still had issues, what with their hatred of humanity). They died after they ate some buttercups. Asriel absorbed their soul, crossed the barrier, and was attacked by humans. The Chara part of his soul wanted to kill the humans, but Asriel resisted and refused to fight back and was fatally injured. So you could say they were either defeated by themselves, Asriel, or the humans
And even if Chara was some ancient evil, the world wasn't destroyed before because they were still dead/in a state of no power and the only reason they come back from the dead/get any power is because of the player.
The main threat to the world before the player showed up was Flowey (screwing with everyone just like player likely would be), and it's implied that Sans was the reason it wasn't destroyed (With Flowey in one of his neutral ending epilogues saying that Sans was responsible for his fair share of resets).

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

You just have irrational hate of Undyne. I refuse to agree that a stupid ending where a demon takes the world should be irreversible.

At what point did I say (or even hint) that I hate Undyne? In fact, at what point did I even mention Undyne?
Again, the only reason the "demon takes the world" is because of you. You have every opportunity to abandon your genocide run, but you ignore them all. The genocide ending may be irreversible (without being a dirty hacker of course ), but it's also completely avoidable.
If you want an "ultimate good", be it yourself. Be like Asriel and resist the urge to kill everything.

[Supreme™ [Kef]]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

I refuse to agree that a stupid ending where a demon takes the world should be irreversible.

Well then you're being a bit stupid, aren't you? It is irreversible, and we know this for certain because THE GAME SAYS SO. So stop whining.

[Exarch_Alpha]

The only one here stupid is you. Reported for moderation as you are here just to troll. And all your posts were crap. Your "logic" is saying Chara should win because she is Chara. Are you 5 years old?

[Dummpkopf (ako)]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

The only one here stupid is you. Reported for moderation as you are here just to troll. And all your posts were crap. Your "logic" is saying Chara should win because she is Chara. Are you 5 years old?

You are the less respectful and more dumb person I've seen in these forums in a while.

[Pip]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

The only one here stupid is you. Reported for moderation as you are here just to troll. And all your posts were crap. Your "logic" is saying Chara should win because she is Chara. Are you 5 years old?

Golly, and here I thought the stupid 5-year old was the one false reporting! All they did was disproving your theory, not trolling!



Chara won because they're determination can't be beat. Your determination LITERALLY brought her back to life. End of story.

[Goblin]

Let's take player choice of the player's hand.

That sounds fun.

[Cocyx The Gay Skeleton]

Originally posted by wtc7200:

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

So eventually you get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ you can´t get rid of Chara in your pacifist endings. I thought of a way Toby could have added.

1- Do genocide run as usual.
2- When you fight Undyne talk to her and tell her about Chara as she isn´t aware of exactly WHAT she is fighting. Filling her with even MORE determination, as she now knows who the enemy really is. Die to her.
3- But... it won´t die. Chara will resurface.
4- You assume Undyne´s role and destroy/make Chara hibernate again. There you go. Clean Pacfist again.

Why?

Because if Chara is the ultimate evil, only Undyne can be the ultimate good. She is the only one that can use the determination of the world to be GOOD. No one can. Not even the human.

thats kinda stupeid. whie wood u tel undine. lik u just buleed evreebodee. whie wood shee lisen. if u think genoside is 2 hard dont doo it lik mee. if it bothres u than gust emale toby and saye 'mak undretail 2 and mak it so u can ezit the genoside root bie teling undine abowt cara'

You're forcing your character too much. Have some subtlety!