Why Chara Isn't Evil

[Peleg The Cynic]

Because Temmie Chang Said So.

[Peleg The Cynic]

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Chara was so fixated on the idea of getting revenge on the people they felt wronged them. They were so "determined" that they didn't realize the consequences of their actions, Asriel's death, the despair of their friends and family in the underground. Chara acted without thinking of the people around them, and it costed them somthing they can't take back. It's the same thing you do when you complete the genocide route.

Your job as the player is to decide whether you help Chara realize what they did was wrong and reform, turn their determination towards helping the people around them. Or to encourage their actions and make them become uncontrollably evil.

Yes Chara did wrong in the past, but they aren't irredeemable, unless you do the genocide route of course.

Chara States They Destroy The World As A Punishment.
They Litterally Tell You That You Think You Are Above Consiquenses

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Your job as the player is to decide whether you help Chara realize what they did was wrong and reform, turn their determination towards helping the people around them. Or to encourage their actions and make them become uncontrollably evil.

Yes Chara did wrong in the past, but they aren't irredeemable, unless you do the genocide route of course.

Chara States They Destroy The World As A Punishment.
They Litterally Tell You That You Think You Are Above Consiquenses

But they also refer to you as a partner. Chara believes they are also above consequences at that point. Undertale is nothing but a game to them at that point, they don't care about anyone. They think the same as you do, except they don't understand your obsession, your "perverted sentimentality", of wanting to replay the game.

Both the pacifist and genocide endings try to encourage you not to replay the game. Pacifist tries to make you feel guilty for taking away the characters' good ending, and at the end of Genocide, Chara mocks you for not just moving on to something else. This also highlights the importance of Asriel's last bit of dialogue when you talk to him, "Don't you have anything better to do."

[fushigi friend]

Originalmente postado por Smaugisawsome:

Originalmente postado por A Person:

I personally disagree. I think think that OoT is just about an elf boy saving the world.



And no, someone else's youtube viedo doesn't count as canon evidence

With all due respect, I am talking about when you back in game to talk to Asriel after the fight, not a theory video. He blatenly stated there that Chara tried to force him to kill the humans, ALL of them, and that they weren't a very good person.

I was just predicting the OP to copy and paste someone else's theory video, and made that post to stop him from doing that.

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originalmente postado por A Person:

Yes.

I don't hate him, far from it, but he did terrible things to those poor children.

Asgore indirectly or directly causes the death of 6 children, but he didn't want to do it.

Barring you don't do the genocide route, Chara doesn't murder anyone, but they wanted to hurt the humans in their village.

But weather he wanted to or not, that's 6 children that he killed.

Chara wanted to kill innocents just to break the barrier, and to achieve this goal she manipulated her adopted brother, the same brother who saved her life when she fell into the underground.

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Well Chara wanted to hurt the humans even before that, that was why they made the plan to kill themself with the flowers in the first place.

Kk
I Found A Video That Makes A Great Point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYHXpdNqdGs

Originalmente postado por A Person:

Originalmente postado por Smaugisawsome:

I am so gonna get flame roasted for this but I don't care. What they are trying to say is that you lack evidence. Heck, the first time I looked up toby fox all I found were fakes. And even if the actual Temmie Chang DID say Chara wasn't evil, like someone else mentioned, she only helped make the game. Toby has the say for that. Also like i stated in my earlier comment can you show me CANON evidence tha is in game that supports your feelings towards this subject? Because I have a ton saying Chara is, If not evil, not a good person. I cant link it and explain it if you want to.

And no, someone else's youtube viedo doesn't count as canon evidence

That video is incredibly over used in these arguements, and the video is so cringy that I can't watch the entire thing.

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Your job as the player is to decide whether you help Chara realize what they did was wrong and reform, turn their determination towards helping the people around them. Or to encourage their actions and make them become uncontrollably evil.

Yes Chara did wrong in the past, but they aren't irredeemable, unless you do the genocide route of course.

Chara States They Destroy The World As A Punishment.
They Litterally Tell You That You Think You Are Above Consiquenses

From the wiki:

You think you are above consequences.
Exactly. [Yes]
Then what are you looking for? [No]

She agrees with you when you say you're above consequences, and if she deleted the world (Which, by the way, was still filled with trillions of life forms) as punishment, why does she call you "partner", and then let you have the world back?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originalmente postado por A Person:

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Asgore indirectly or directly causes the death of 6 children, but he didn't want to do it.

Barring you don't do the genocide route, Chara doesn't murder anyone, but they wanted to hurt the humans in their village.

But weather he wanted to or not, that's 6 children that he killed.

Chara wanted to kill innocents just to break the barrier, and to achieve this goal she manipulated her adopted brother, the same brother who saved her life when she fell into the underground.

I wasn't really making a case for them being innocent. Whether you think their actions are justified is up to you.

The point I was making is that I imagine some people would say that Asgore is a good person while Chara isn't, even though they are both guilty for similar crimes.

[lolrect]

This is what I said to Chara you evil demon leave me be! I take it back.

[Casual Amateur]

Look like OP is just bored and want to start argument. No matter how much info coming from Judgement Boy video or Chara info from Tumblr webpage. Most of those are just theory about Chara or thought what really happen. One thing for sure that Chara will never get bored of ruining pacifist ending.

[Peleg The Cynic]

Originalmente postado por blowheaded:

Look like OP is just bored and want to start argument. No matter how much info coming from Judgement Boy video or Chara info from Tumblr webpage. Most of those are just theory about Chara or thought what really happen. One thing for sure that Chara will never get bored of ruining pacifist ending.

Who Is OP

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Originalmente postado por blowheaded:

Look like OP is just bored and want to start argument. No matter how much info coming from Judgement Boy video or Chara info from Tumblr webpage. Most of those are just theory about Chara or thought what really happen. One thing for sure that Chara will never get bored of ruining pacifist ending.

Who Is OP

You are. OP = original poster, the person who creates the thread.

[Peleg The Cynic]

Originalmente postado por (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Who Is OP

You are. OP = original poster, the person who creates the thread.

Oh
Danke

[DanEgbert]

Oh, another Chara thread... This one is actually mostly filled with comments between A Person and OP, with the latter being an idiot. Temmie's statement aside (even if was real, it's not confirming proof), everything you have said in this thread OP is beyond stupid, specifically Judgement Boy's video. To be honest, Edgy Asriel's points are good, even if I don't agree with the overall statement he's trying to make. At least his argument makes sense. Your "argument" however;

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Likely Self-Defense, They Don't Want Their Besy Friend/Brother To Die.

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Kk
I Found A Video That Makes A Great Point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYHXpdNqdGs

Originalmente postado por Peleg The Mudkip&Bubbles:

Chara States They Destroy The World As A Punishment.
They Litterally Tell You That You Think You Are Above Consiquenses

Yeah, I don't have to say much, considering A Person did all the work for me. In fact, I bet debunking this steaming pile was easy. Also, stop using capitals in the beginning of every word, you only need them in the beginning of the sentence. Like A Person said, it gets very annoying.

[✿カジバナ✿]

Despite what Temmie Chang says, Toby fox places numerous hints in the game that Chara is genocidal far before frisk ever falls into the underground.

Chara often calls Asriel a crybaby, as evidenced in the camera recordings. Not only this, but during a genocide run Flowey references Chara as "won't give me any worthless pity!" and immediately recognizes Chara on a genocide run.

Not only this, but if Chara is the narrator, she (I know they have no gender) laughs at the amalgamates despite Frisk not doing so. Additionally, if you kill all of the dogs in snowdin and check the dog food in alphys' lab in a neutral run. You will get the dialogue "You just remembered something funny".

And do we all forget how Asriel noted that not only was Chara passionate about hating humanity, but that they hatched a plan in order to manipulate Asriel to help Chara kill their entire village? Not only this, but Asriel litterally says, word for word:

"Chara wasn't really the greatest person."

Though it seems like a "discussion" that's already been completed, I thought I might as well throw in my hat to a topic thats been done to death.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originalmente postado por ネクシルデン:

Not only this, but if Chara is the narrator, she (I know they have no gender) laughs at the amalgamates despite Frisk not doing so. Additionally, if you kill all of the dogs in snowdin and check the dog food in alphys' lab in a neutral run. You will get the dialogue "You just remembered something funny".

The problem is you can't really believe the Charrator theory if you think they're inherently evil no matter what. If Chara wants Frisk to do the genocide route from the start, why is it only after killing Toriel and a certain number of monsters in the RUINS that they decide to help you kill everything? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to pursuade you into killing everyone immediately?

[conditionsapply]

Honestly temmie's word on the topic shouldn't be regarded as the words of truth. Remember, she was the sprite artist. As far as I know, temmie has played little/no part in the formation of the storyline itself, and thus her opinion is not FACT. if you want facts, ask the developer/publisher/composer, toby fox.

Also, The OP's comments are surprisingly amusing to read. Once things go south the OP resorts to your typical twelvie-caliber insults to retaliate, as well as random mathematical questions in order to assert dominance & superiority (which failed miserably, by the way. I'm pretty sure you can't recite 70 Pi to 20 + decimal places)

[Punykirby]

Guys, Temmie is Temmie, it's hard to know if she's being serious or not