I Theorized Genocide was Canon. LOOK AT ME NOW!

[Taisetsu na Miko]

It seems likely that genocide is canon to Deltarune, which I had sort of predicted like a year ago. It seems like a True Pacifist ending after completing Genocide is how the storyline is supposed to progress. C and F are combined as one. It could very well have been the trigger behind the imbalance you deal with in Deltarune.

I also feel like Toby might have somehow gotten to read my review on Undertale or something like it since my main criticism was that the endings lacked a theme of "new life" or "birth" and Deltarune feels like it was full of things progressing into new lives and being born.

[rorgfist]

Originally posted by JHALExM:

It seems likely that genocide is canon to Deltarune, which I had sort of predicted like a year ago. It seems like a True Pacifist ending after completing Genocide is how the storyline is supposed to progress. C and F are combined as one. It could very well have been the trigger behind the imbalance you deal with in Deltarune.

I also feel like Toby might have somehow gotten to read my review on Undertale or something like it since my main criticism was that the endings lacked a theme of "new life" or "birth" and Deltarune feels like it was full of things progressing into new lives and being born.

Look at you! totally and utterly wrong!

As toby fox confirmed, is an entirely different an unrelated universe with different characters who lead different lives and have different personalities.

Monsters never went into the underground, frisk and chara doesnt exist, asriel never died, the amalgamates and flowey never existed, etc etc etc

[Stick]

Toby all ready said that the endings of Undertale have nothing to do with Deltarune. No matter what ending you get in Undertale, the Deltarune universe will be the same.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

All endings of Undertale are canon.

And as others have said, Deltarune is set in an alternate universe. The same characters are there, but they’ve lived completely different lives.

[CTheRex]

While Deltarune's ending will immediately remind fans about the Genocide Route and Chara,(not those wussy fans who are too scared to complete the genocide run. Seriously, its just a game! you arent actually killing anything!)Deltarune's universe is entirely different. So please, stop theorizing connections between the two. It is a waste of time.

[Casual Amateur]

You know. I didn't want to say any thing about people want to make a undertale and deltarune being relate. They was debating and other debating start to get angry. But... I find that there are people kinda starting another flame war again. Not on steam forum by the way.

[Stick]

Originally posted by blowheaded:

You know. I didn't want to say any thing about people want to make a undertale and deltarune being relate. They was debating and other debating start to get angry. But... I find that there are people kinda starting another flame war again. Not on steam forum by the way.

It's not a flame war. It's a disagreement. Those are legal.

[DOOMGUY]

Originally posted by rorgfist:

Originally posted by JHALExM:

It seems likely that genocide is canon to Deltarune, which I had sort of predicted like a year ago. It seems like a True Pacifist ending after completing Genocide is how the storyline is supposed to progress. C and F are combined as one. It could very well have been the trigger behind the imbalance you deal with in Deltarune.

I also feel like Toby might have somehow gotten to read my review on Undertale or something like it since my main criticism was that the endings lacked a theme of "new life" or "birth" and Deltarune feels like it was full of things progressing into new lives and being born.

Look at you! totally and utterly wrong!

As toby fox confirmed, is an entirely different an unrelated universe with different characters who lead different lives and have different personalities.

Monsters never went into the underground, frisk and chara doesnt exist, asriel never died, the amalgamates and flowey never existed, etc etc etc

It's so true what you are saying my friend.

Originally posted by JHALExM:

It seems likely that genocide is canon to Deltarune, which I had sort of predicted like a year ago. It seems like a True Pacifist ending after completing Genocide is how the storyline is supposed to progress. C and F are combined as one. It could very well have been the trigger behind the imbalance you deal with in Deltarune.

I also feel like Toby might have somehow gotten to read my review on Undertale or something like it since my main criticism was that the endings lacked a theme of "new life" or "birth" and Deltarune feels like it was full of things progressing into new lives and being born.

Like what @rorgfist said, Deltarune is in a different and unrelated universe.

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by stickninja1015:

Originally posted by blowheaded:

You know. I didn't want to say any thing about people want to make a undertale and deltarune being relate. They was debating and other debating start to get angry. But... I find that there are people kinda starting another flame war again. Not on steam forum by the way.

It's not a flame war. It's a disagreement. Those are legal.

The depen on who are you talking about you know. I didn't talk where it came from. It best for me to not tell where it come from. Ya...

[Stick]

Originally posted by blowheaded:

Originally posted by stickninja1015:

It's not a flame war. It's a disagreement. Those are legal.

The depen on who are you talking about you know. I didn't talk where it came from. It best for me to not tell where it come from. Ya...

I....uh.....I have no idea what you just said.

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by stickninja1015:

Originally posted by blowheaded:

The depen on who are you talking about you know. I didn't talk where it came from. It best for me to not tell where it come from. Ya...

I....uh.....I have no idea what you just said.

It all depen who you meet and how people choose to reply. Also depen on when ever if it same person they talking too. If it not the same person they meet and talking about. It not the person you think of.

[Taisetsu na Miko]

I really don't think people should listen Toby's authority. He doesn't even like the fanbase apparently. I think he is one of the most likely creators to pull a trick on their audience. Yes he might have started work on Deltarune before Undertale, but Deltarune was still revised or something to be highly related to Undertale. Toby's ideas of how Deltarune would work likely changed based on what they did in Undertale.

I guess everyone probably knew this already, but I just realized that Ralsei is Asriel. I was having a hard time imagining it was truly Asriel and not maybe some new related person. I think the implications of this are bigger than people expect. Asriel is part Flowey. I have compared characters from Undertale to Greek and Christian mythology before and I'm convinced the correlation is likely stronger in Deltarune. Kris is "Persephone", Toriel is Demeter, Asgore is Hades, Asriel is Lucifer. Ralsei has won many people's hearts, but it's just "Lucifer" being charming.

Now why do I think of Greek mythology and Christianity? They both had the most developed concepts of the Underworld/Hell. Additionally, they both had strong themes of judging people's actions as bad or good. Lastly, we are introduced to the theme of Toriel making a very religious family and also putting devil horns on Kris. It could be conceived as Toriel having a very difficult time trying to take care of Kris even though it looks like Toriel is the mean one. And thus she tries to teach them Christianity in order to repress the evil she sees in them..This is because it is the most common religion in any America-like place and its teachings sound like something that would take the evil out of someone.

Asriel has created a new scenario whereby he will gain more power than imaginable. He is going to take away the power from Hell, Heaven and Earth so that his power can reign supreme. He might seem all innocent, but in reality he is the one manipulating your fate. Flowey was the only one who could manipulate how the game worked in Undertale and assuming that Asriel is now split between his Flowey and normal sides, he is the one controlling the game while looking like the most innocent.

Given all of this information, perhaps "Chara" is trying to escape the power that Asriel is trying to gain over them Chara liked to destroy everything, but Asriel has trapped them in a world where their decisions don't matter and they can no longer harm anyone.

[Stick]

Originally posted by Level Drain Succubus:

I really don't think people should listen Toby's authority. He doesn't even like the fanbase apparently. I think he is one of the most likely creators to pull a trick on their audience. Yes he might have started work on Deltarune before Undertale, but Deltarune was still revised or something to be highly related to Undertale. Toby's ideas of how Deltarune would work likely changed based on what they did in Undertale.

I guess everyone probably knew this already, but I just realized that Ralsei is Asriel. I was having a hard time imagining it was truly Asriel and not maybe some new related person. I think the implications of this are bigger than people expect. Asriel is part Flowey. I have compared characters from Undertale to Greek and Christian mythology before and I'm convinced the correlation is likely stronger in Deltarune. Kris is "Persephone", Toriel is Demeter, Asgore is Hades, Asriel is Lucifer. Ralsei has won many people's hearts, but it's just "Lucifer" being charming.

Now why do I think of Greek mythology and Christianity? They both had the most developed concepts of the Underworld/Hell. Additionally, they both had strong themes of judging people's actions as bad or good. Lastly, we are introduced to the theme of Toriel making a very religious family and also putting devil horns on Kris. It could be conceived as Toriel having a very difficult time trying to take care of Kris even though it looks like Toriel is the mean one. And thus she tries to teach them Christianity in order to repress the evil she sees in them..This is because it is the most common religion in any America-like place and its teachings sound like something that would take the evil out of someone.

Asriel has created a new scenario whereby he will gain more power than imaginable. He is going to take away the power from Hell, Heaven and Earth so that his power can reign supreme. He might seem all innocent, but in reality he is the one manipulating your fate. Flowey was the only one who could manipulate how the game worked in Undertale and assuming that Asriel is now split between his Flowey and normal sides, he is the one controlling the game while looking like the most innocent.

Given all of this information, perhaps "Chara" is trying to escape the power that Asriel is trying to gain over them Chara liked to destroy everything, but Asriel has trapped them in a world where their decisions don't matter and they can no longer harm anyone.

TL;DR Asriel is apparently the one who created the Deltarune world to get power over Chara
Now for my counter to your Dr. Script essay:
1. Toby has never said that he doesn't like the fan base and has never acted like it either. Deltarune is in an AU with no connection to Undertale.
2. Ralsie isn't Asriel. He may be a goat monster, but he is most likely just an alternate version of Asriel from the Dark World.
3. I really don't see how Undertale or Deltarune has any connections to Greek mythology. Aside from the fact that there is an under ground place with monsters, I can't see them sharing connections.
4: Asriel has been show time and again to be an innocent goat child. That has always been how he is portrayed and I don't see why Toby would just randomly make him a Pixar movie twist villain.
5:If anything, Gaster is the one controlling the game. He's the one narrating the survey after all.
6: Back to the topic of Greek mythology connecting to characters, this theory has one big hole in it: saying that Asriel is Lucifer. Lucifer is obviously from Christian mythology and is not connected to Greek myths. This gives the theory a huge outlier and begs the question: "Why would Toby make them all related to Greek gods and then suddenly switch to Christianity?"

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I would take Toby’s word on it being an alternate universe, it can’t really work any other way.

I also don’t think Chara will be involved in the plot of this game at all. That would make the genocide route the only canon route, which I don’t think Toby wants to do, he’d rather keep every ending as an equal possibility. Many clues point to the “Chara” at the end just being Kris. Kris being this game’s variant of Chara.

I don’t think Ralsei is Asriel, at least not the same one as Kris’s older brother. Asriel should look more like his god form without the eye lines, whereas Ralsei just looks slightly older than his kid form in Undertale. If anything, I imagine Ralsei and the dark world is a fake world created by Gaster, and Ralsei is a program based on Asriel.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I also think it’s possible Seam could be Gaster’s avatar in the fake dark world within the first chapter. This is how he’s able to lock up Jevil, he says “darker, yet darker” at one point, he seems to know he exists within a game like Jevil (and is similar to Sans with his statements of actions making no difference). The ragdoll Seam is based on is also one of the few things visible within the unused classroom, making it seem more like the character was quickly made up.

[rorgfist]

Originally posted by Level Drain Succubus:

I really don't think people should listen Toby's authority. He doesn't even like the fanbase apparently.

Why did you say that?

1 why did you think people shoudnt listen to tobys words when he is the one creating the entire universe in the first place?

2 why do you think he doesnt like the fanbase?