Why sans only attacks on the genocide path (besides toriel) (theory)

[Broken Viking]

It’s cause KR’s damage is relative (meaning the less LV you have the less invincibility frames it skips) and healing a lot more with food (relatively) would shred him

[lian]

Originally posted by The Very Best:

It’s cause KR’s damage is relative (meaning the less LV you have the less invincibility frames it skips) and healing a lot more with food (relatively) would shred him

because the fact you killed hes brother and all entire underground is not important ?
besides kr damage have nothing to do with sans sans can only deal 1 damage by myself
btw if he know timeline gona be messy cuz you can save and quit anytime why he even trying

[Broken Viking]

A few things: he confronts you on all “paths;” you initiate the battle with him, (by “taking another step forward”) and a promise to someone you don’t know seems very irrelevant when there’s infinite “thems” (meaning timelines) at stake.

The best way to stop someone from killing everything, IMO, is to stop them outright.

Papyrus noticed “the way your hands are always covered with dust” (paraphrasing don’t kill me) so it must’ve been pretty noticeable, and sans saw the timelines starting and stopping, ending and resetting, so he knew who you were (albeit he says that even if you don’t save or reload, meaning he saw floweys work...) and did nothing until his life was on the line

And nobody knows wtfrick KR is, though some call it “karmic retribution,” and it’s only in the sans fight, so it’s most likely connected

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I don't know if we can really say this without seeing if fighting Sans at a lower LV actually effects the KR ability. Plus, why does the Torn Notebook and Cloudy Glasses effect it?

Also it's just "KARMA", not Karmic Retribution. Apparently there is flavor text during the battle that confirms it.

[Broken Viking]

I thought those items didn’t work there, but I guess I was wrong.
Would you happen to know if karma is sans or level exclusive? (I certainly don’t)

[Soundless1997]

Originally posted by The Very Best:

I thought those items didn’t work there, but I guess I was wrong.
Would you happen to know if karma is sans or level exclusive? (I certainly don’t)

It's only exclusive to Sans. There are YouTube videos where people manipulate the game's files to place their selves in the battle at LV 1 and karma can still be inflicted.

[lian]

Originally posted by Soundless1997:

Originally posted by The Very Best:

I thought those items didn’t work there, but I guess I was wrong.
Would you happen to know if karma is sans or level exclusive? (I certainly don’t)

It's only exclusive to Sans. There are YouTube videos where people manipulate the game's files to place their selves in the battle at LV 1 and karma can still be inflicted.

why mess up wiht game filies just use flowey time machine wtf

[Dean SpillaBean]

He only stops you on the geno route because, unlike ever other reset, this one will have lasting consequences

Litrally their whole world is about to be deleted by chara if sans doesn't do something

He knows about the resets, so fighting in anyother timeline would be meaningless, this is the only time it truly matters

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by aron:

Originally posted by Soundless1997:

It's only exclusive to Sans. There are YouTube videos where people manipulate the game's files to place their selves in the battle at LV 1 and karma can still be inflicted.

why mess up wiht game filies just use flowey time machine wtf

For testing purposes, and doing it yourself gives you more options. Also someone had to test the files in order to create Flowey’s Time Machine.

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by aron:

Originally posted by Soundless1997:

It's only exclusive to Sans. There are YouTube videos where people manipulate the game's files to place their selves in the battle at LV 1 and karma can still be inflicted.

why mess up wiht game filies just use flowey time machine wtf

If some one don't test this KR things. Some people would have wank as much they want to in VS thread and just say their character beat any one. Also make up as many weird claim as much they want to.

[Broken Viking]

Originally posted by blowheaded:

Originally posted by aron:

why mess up wiht game filies just use flowey time machine wtf

If some one don't test this KR things. Some people would have wank as much they want to in VS thread and just say their character beat any one. Also make up as many weird claim as much they want to.

Um wat

Originally posted by Dean SpillaBean:

He only stops you on the geno route because, unlike ever other reset, this one will have lasting consequences

Litrally their whole world is about to be deleted by chara if sans doesn't do something

He knows about the resets, so fighting in anyother timeline would be meaningless, this is the only time it truly matters

My point was, dusty hands and an overall creepy gait means murder of a sort (while it is true they all attacked you) and sans knew about the timelines resetting. It doesn’t take a Sherlock to figure that one out, from a characteristic lore-wise perspective. (I realize that sounds rude, but I am lacking any other way to word that at the moment, so please forgive any sarcasm)

And I don’t think he knows of chara, and it does require more than a single human soul to leave the barrier, so humans might be fine (idk I don’t trust alphy’s word for it)

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by The Very Best:

Originally posted by blowheaded:

If some one don't test this KR things. Some people would have wank as much they want to in VS thread and just say their character beat any one. Also make up as many weird claim as much they want to.

Um wat

Originally posted by Dean SpillaBean:

He only stops you on the geno route because, unlike ever other reset, this one will have lasting consequences

Litrally their whole world is about to be deleted by chara if sans doesn't do something

He knows about the resets, so fighting in anyother timeline would be meaningless, this is the only time it truly matters

My point was, dusty hands and an overall creepy gait means murder of a sort (while it is true they all attacked you) and sans knew about the timelines resetting. It doesn’t take a Sherlock to figure that one out, from a characteristic lore-wise perspective. (I realize that sounds rude, but I am lacking any other way to word that at the moment, so please forgive any sarcasm)

And I don’t think he knows of chara, and it does require more than a single human soul to leave the barrier, so humans might be fine (idk I don’t trust alphy’s word for it)

He does know that the timeline ends if you defeat him.

"our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting... until suddenly, everything ends. heh heh heh... that's your fault isn't it?"

-Sans/in battle

He's known that you were likely going to end up destroying the timeline at some point since the beginning. That is why originally he was planning to just kill Frisk outright until Toriel changed his mind.

[Broken Viking]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by The Very Best:

Um wat





My point was, dusty hands and an overall creepy gait means murder of a sort (while it is true they all attacked you) and sans knew about the timelines resetting. It doesn’t take a Sherlock to figure that one out, from a characteristic lore-wise perspective. (I realize that sounds rude, but I am lacking any other way to word that at the moment, so please forgive any sarcasm)

And I don’t think he knows of chara, and it does require more than a single human soul to leave the barrier, so humans might be fine (idk I don’t trust alphy’s word for it)

He does know that the timeline ends if you defeat him.

"our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting... until suddenly, everything ends. heh heh heh... that's your fault isn't it?"

-Sans/in battle

He's known that you were likely going to end up destroying the timeline at some point since the beginning. That is why originally he was planning to just kill Frisk outright until Toriel changed his mind.

Thats ma point; imo I don’t like promises, and neither does sans, because you have to keep them.

So long as the timeline destroyer has symbolically literal (plz tell me the word for that) blood on their hands, I wouldn’t take any chances.

While I understand he made a promise, it seems moot at that point

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by The Very Best:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

He does know that the timeline ends if you defeat him.

"our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting... until suddenly, everything ends. heh heh heh... that's your fault isn't it?"

-Sans/in battle

He's known that you were likely going to end up destroying the timeline at some point since the beginning. That is why originally he was planning to just kill Frisk outright until Toriel changed his mind.

Thats ma point; imo I don’t like promises, and neither does sans, because you have to keep them.

So long as the timeline destroyer has symbolically literal (plz tell me the word for that) blood on their hands, I wouldn’t take any chances.

While I understand he made a promise, it seems moot at that point

Oh, and Frisk could theoretically leave the Underground after a genocide route (if Chara didn't show up). You absorb both Toriel and Asgore's souls when they "break". This is why Asgore always dies in the neutral ending, to ensure Frisk always has a monster soul to get to the surface.

[Soundless1997]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

He does know that the timeline ends if you defeat him.

"our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting... until suddenly, everything ends. heh heh heh... that's your fault isn't it?"

-Sans/in battle

He's known that you were likely going to end up destroying the timeline at some point since the beginning. That is why originally he was planning to just kill Frisk outright until Toriel changed his mind.

I thought Sans was planning to kill Frisk because of his job as a sentry and he along with some of the other monsters furiously hated humanity for sealing them underground.

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Oh, and Frisk could theoretically leave the Underground after a genocide route (if Chara didn't show up). You absorb both Toriel and Asgore's souls when they "break". This is why Asgore always dies in the neutral ending, to ensure Frisk always has a monster soul to get to the surface.

It's actually impossible for Frisk to leave the underground even if Chara doesn't appear. After killing Toriel, they don't absorb her soul and watch it shatter; And Flowey always destroys Asgore's soul no matter what. The only way for Frisk to get past the barrier is for Flowey to mysteriously teleport them past it after absorbing the 6 human souls. However, because Frisk proceed to kill Flowey as well, they will be stuck in the underground for all eternity.

[Soundless1997]

Originally posted by Deus Vult Infidel, Deus Vult:

sans is like a darker psrson than we imagined, he can do things no other person besides Asriel can do, he remembers EVERYTHING, he is the prime focus of many theorizes like me, i think its becuase he wants his family back, i mean wouldn't you want to kill the person who destroyed everything you know and love, Toriel, His brother Papyrus, Metaton (spelled improperly), Undye, then him. he knows you've done wrong and wants to put a stop ti your psychopathic methods and feels as if he can reverse the time line or change the players thoughts on being a psycho. these are my ideas idk if they make sense. i love how this community is still continuing keep it aliive u guys or your gona have a bad time

Sorry but, "Sans remembering everything" is absolutely wrong. Yes he has researched the nature of timelines, save files, and resets. However, that doesn't grant him the ability to remember events in between timelines! In order for him to tell whether a reset happened or not, he has to be observant with Frisk's actions and "expressions".
What you also missed was the fact that when a True Reset happens after the True Pacifist Route, it 100% erases everybody's memories, including Frisk and Flowey. The True Reset is never done by Frisk's hand and Flowey addresses the one behind it as "Chara".