Who is "The Knight" in DELTARUNE?

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

So a big bad is revealed in Chapter 1 as this "strange knight" that imprisoned 3 of the Kings, and can create the dark fountains. I've been thinking about this myself, and was curious as to what others' thoughts were.

I guess I'll start off by saying a few characters we can already rule out as NOT being the Knight.

Jevil: He seems likely to not be relevant to the story other than foreshadowing, and directly refers to the Knight as someone else. He also mentions a Queen. The Knight is also NOT the strange person Jevil met, as Seam knows who the Knight is, but not who talked to Jevil. The Knight also only appeared recently, whereas the event with Jevil happened long ago.

King of Spades: Like Jevil, he mentions the Knight as being another character. Seam also says the Knight and the King essentially put each other in charge.

Lancer: Seam says, "The remaining king put him and his strange son into power." This can be read either two ways. The "him" refers to the knight that locked the other 3 kings away, as Seam states in his previous sentence. The "him" could also be the King of Spades refering to himself, though why Toby didn't use "himself" in this case is rather odd. In either scenario, Lancer is shown as a character separate from the Knight, so we can rule him out. If the "him" does refer to the Knight however, this would also rule out any female character or the Vessel (which would assumingly have no gender).

Susie: Susie has never been to the Dark World before, and no one recognizers her.

Kris: Kris cannot be the Knight either, due to the fact that the Kings and Lancer would recognize him immediately. (Ch. 2 Edit) Yes, the ending makes it seem that they are the Knight, but he also gained some other information that seems to suggests otherwise.

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As for who I think are likely candidates. . .

Ralsei, Seam, Gaster, Asriel, the Vessel, or a new character.

Ralsei: Fluffy boy seems like the most likely candidate to be the Knight for me. Not only would the most seemingly passive character being the villain, and Susie the most aggressive character becoming the hero be the kind of expectation subversion we'd expect, but chapter 1 seems just chock-full of little details that can make you question Ralsei's motives.

For starters, you find him alone in an abandoned town with a dark fountain, the things the Knight can create, that was also sealed by a giant door for some reason, which is also suggested that Lancer is the only one allowed to enter said town.

Ralsei disguises himself the entire game, only revealing his face to Kris and Susie, the only people who couldn't possibly know the knight's appearance. He also heals the King after you defeat him in BOTH endings.

The entire prophecy's credibility hinges upon the fact that we assume Ralsei isn't evil, since he's the one who tells us the prophecy to begin with. Not to mention Lancer actually is a "Prince from the Dark", whereas we only can take Ralsei's claim of being a prince at face value.

Ralsei is likely Deltarune's variation of Flowey, since Asriel can't be him since he's still alive in this universe. Ralsei also says the "that heart is your SOUL, the very culmination of your being" line just like Flowey in Undertale. He also seems to be aware that the world is a game like Jevil, knowing more about game mechanics than even the tutorial puzzle guys.

(Ch 2 Edit) Alright, Ralsei has been crossed from the list as now we know that the Knight must be a Lightner, or at least have the determination of a Lightner. His motivations also seem to oppose those of the Knight. Ralsei is very suspicious and definitely hiding some dark secrets about the world of deltarune, but he is not the Knight.

Seam: Seam also seems like a potential identity for the Knight, always talking negatively about the world's inevitable fate. He also oddly doesn't appear in the pacifist ending. The only real thing against Seam being the Knight is the fact that the ragdoll that represents him appears in the abandoned class, making it seem like he won't appear in later chapters. I also personally suspect he might be one of several avatars for Dr. Gaster that may appear throughout the full game.

(Ch 2 Edit) Again Seam is a Darkner so he is off the suspect list.

Gaster: I personally don't think Gaster is the Knight, but he is associated with darkness. Gaster just seems more of a "in the background" sort of schemer, not the direct approach being the Knight would likely entail.

Asriel: Sorry MatPat, I don't think Asriel is the Knight either. For one, the Knight will likely show up sooner in the story than Asriel would be able to. Also Asriel technically wasn't the angel in Undertale, Flowey was. Again Ralsei is more likely Deltarune's variant of Flowey. Also given what we know of Asriel in Deltarune, him being the Knight does not fit his character. I could see Kris imagining a fake Asriel betraying him, but again that would be Ralsei, THE FAKE ASRIEL, not his actual brother.

Vessel: This would be more from a game perspective sort of thing, kinda like Chara in Undertale, which is why I do find this probably the most likely candidate behind fluffy prince. Also apparently this would be similar to Moon: Remix RPG Adventure, one of the games that inspired Toby to make Undertale.

A new character: Need I say more?

(Chapter 2 Edit)

Ok so with the release of chapter 2 and after watching several playthroughs and skimming through theories and wiki pages, I have come to the conclusion that the Knight is 100% going to be Noelle's missing older sister, Dess/December. I will probably make a thread about this at some point in the Deltarune discussions. So it seems "new character" was the correct option.

[MudkipBlue22]

Here are some links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQPPKCWcUy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n77pf3TY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdbOWlf2ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsHMRBtc3rM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evkiJoWU0N4&

Sorry if it was not helpful for this user

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by MudkipBlue22:

Here are some links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQPPKCWcUy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n77pf3TY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdbOWlf2ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsHMRBtc3rM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evkiJoWU0N4&

Sorry if it was not helpful for this user

I prefer this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmbiKKJMek

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by MudkipBlue22:

Here are some links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQPPKCWcUy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n77pf3TY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdbOWlf2ew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsHMRBtc3rM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evkiJoWU0N4&

Sorry if it was not helpful for this user

excuse me sir, but we don't believe Matpat's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ theories here

[Rimdle]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by RiddleMeThis:

Just thought of something
What if the guy who talked to Jevil WAS the Knight, but before he made himself known to the rest of the Kingdom?

It would still be odd that Seam doesn’t refer to them as the Knight. Unless the Knight is a shapeshifter.

Are we even sure Seam was there when the Strange Someone told Jevil about the World being a game? It's entirely possible Jevil had told him afterwards, assuming Jevil become a maniac IMMEDIATELY after being informed that the world is a game. There was probably some time in between Jevil being told about the world being a game and Jevil developing his new worldview.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by smithboys5:

excuse me sir, but we don't believe Matpat's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ theories here

The one I posted actually isn't MatPat, it's another guy on the Game Theorist channel.

[Smithsiblings4]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by smithboys5:

excuse me sir, but we don't believe Matpat's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ theories here

The one I posted actually isn't MatPat, it's another guy on the Game Theorist channel.

I know, and I wasn't responding to the video that you posted

[Fired Chicken]

I think the knight is either Ralsei or Asriel (Although Ralsei is a more likely candidate)

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by silent snake:

I think the knight is either Ralsei or Asriel (Although Ralsei is a more likely candidate)

I've thought out a bit more on the story and my current predictions are this:

The Knight will be "Asriel". I put Asriel in quotes because it won't be the real Asriel, but a version of him created by the Dark World. We however won't know that they aren't actually Asriel until the end when the real one shows up.

Ralsei is also an antagonist of the game created by the Dark World.

The Knight creates more adventures for Kris to go on, while Ralsei goes on those adventures with Kris to make sure they play out in Kris's favor. Both are specifically made to keep Kris entertained to where they will eventually wish to stay.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

I also predict that the Queen, which Jevil mentioned, will be a Dark World version of Noelle's mother and the main antagonist of Chapter 2. Noelle's mother is likely the mayor of Hometown. I can see Noelle imagining an evil version of her mother as an ice queen due to her brushing off Rudolf's illness. Noelle also mentioned she was stuck in an ice palace level in her game.

[Fired Chicken]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by silent snake:

I think the knight is either Ralsei or Asriel (Although Ralsei is a more likely candidate)

I've thought out a bit more on the story and my current predictions are this:

The Knight will be "Asriel". I put Asriel in quotes because it won't be the real Asriel, but a version of him created by the Dark World. We however won't know that they aren't actually Asriel until the end when the real one shows up.

Ralsei is also an antagonist of the game created by the Dark World.

The Knight creates more adventures for Kris to go on, while Ralsei goes on those adventures with Kris to make sure they play out in Kris's favor. Both are specifically made to keep Kris entertained to where they will eventually wish to stay.

That kinda reminds me of Coraline.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by silent snake:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

I've thought out a bit more on the story and my current predictions are this:

The Knight will be "Asriel". I put Asriel in quotes because it won't be the real Asriel, but a version of him created by the Dark World. We however won't know that they aren't actually Asriel until the end when the real one shows up.

Ralsei is also an antagonist of the game created by the Dark World.

The Knight creates more adventures for Kris to go on, while Ralsei goes on those adventures with Kris to make sure they play out in Kris's favor. Both are specifically made to keep Kris entertained to where they will eventually wish to stay.

That kinda reminds me of Coraline.

That is also what I thought.

[Fired Chicken]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by silent snake:

That kinda reminds me of Coraline.

That is also what I thought.

Maybe they need Kris to stay forever so that they can maintain the dark world

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by silent snake:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

That is also what I thought.

Maybe they need Kris to stay forever so that they can maintain the dark world

I have whole theories on this.
It needs lightners (or the minds of real people) in order to give itself purpose, just as Ralsei mentions. In an even more parallel to Coraline, Kris is not the first to be taken by it. If one does stay too long, they become disconnected from all reality and become a "goner". So regardless of Kris's fate, the dark world as it is will inevitably be destroyed as Seam states. Taking Kris only bides it more time.

Gaster and a previous version of Kris from another timeline also became goners. Remnants of them still exist in the dark world and take shape to aid you on your journey. In chapter 1, the remnant of Gaster becomes Seam and the remnant of alternate Kris becomes Jevil. That's how they are aware of events that haven't happened yet.