so what's the point of naming the fallen human?

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

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the player character's actual name is Frisk.
the original fallen human's name who turned evil is Chara
so why are we given the option to name the fallen?

yeah i know its used twist the narrative to say "HA! all this time you thought you played as the fallen human, PSYCHE! the name you gave was actually for the EVIL human!
so when you gave the fallen human your own name, it means YOU are the evil bad guy ololololol

i don't get it, what was the point of that?
knowing Frisk's name from the start wouldn't change a thing, so this whole name shenanigens seems like a long and pointless attempt to be complicated for no real reason

[noctemdracone velk.ca]

No clue. However I do know you get funny comments if you try and name the fallen human after other characters in the game.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

Originally posted by noctemdracone:

No clue. However I do know you get funny comments if you try and name the fallen human after other characters in the game.

yeah, that's the only good thing about it, this and the fact that if you name the fallen human Frisk you get to play the "hard" mode

[DJ]

It's so that you will identify with Frisk.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

So there are a few things that need to be noted.

The red soul you control is neither Frisk nor Chara (or whatever you name the first human). You play as yourself manifested as the red soul, while controling Frisk's physical body, and Chara's conciousness. Frisk is literally nothing more than a puppet, and Chara is just a ethereal narrator that becomes influenced by your choices. The point being whether we do everything good or everything evil in a game, neither truly represent us, we just go through the motions the game wants us to.

The other thing is that Chara isn't evil, at least not at first, nor are they good. Chara's morality while they were living is left a bit questionable. They had a blind hatred for the fellow humans in their village, which ended up costing the lives of both themselves and their adoptive sibling. However, the game also implies their reasoning for wanting to kill those humans could be justified, such as them being horrible enough to make a young child want to runaway from home, or that they want to free the monsters that showed them kindness. Chara only really becomes evil if you complete the genocide route.

Post-genocide Chara is a bit of a meta-narrative concept about our mindset when we typically play RPGs. They basically represent the "it's just a game" mentality, where we just raise stats, kill monsters, do quest lines, harass NPCs, all because it's just a game and there are no consequences for the little morally horrible things we do to have fun in games. In short, Chara represents the way we typically play games or how we've played games in the past. That is the main reason why we name them instead of Frisk. It's also worth noting that when we kill monsters, it's Chara that gets the LV and EXP.

[Releasethebeast13]

actually, the "evil" (quotes because I think Chara is not evil) human is named after whatever you name your character. If you named your character "Toast", for example, her name would be "Toast". The reason why people call her Chara is because if you name yourself Chara, instead of saying "Is this name Correct?", it says "The True Name" or something like that.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

People also call her/him chara because Flowie tells everything about that name and sees you ad his sibling during the genocide run.

Also im pretty sure chara is indeed evil.
Asriel in the end of pacifist run says that [your name] wad not a good person and despised humanity
Flowie says their original plan was
To kill all humans but Asriel refused
and of course in the end of genocide run [you name] that got enough power to become separated from you outright demands tge world be deleted

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

People also call her/him chara because Flowie tells everything about that name and sees you ad his sibling during the genocide run.

Also im pretty sure chara is indeed evil.
Asriel in the end of pacifist run says that [your name] wad not a good person and despised humanity
Flowie says their original plan was
To kill all humans but Asriel refused
and of course in the end of genocide run [you name] that got enough power to become separated from you outright demands tge world be deleted

Flowey only ever calls the first human what name you put in.

The only clue for Chara being the name is the fact that it’s the name the game defaults to if there’s a save error that removes the name you put, and that if you put it in at the start, you get the message “The true name.”

Of course, Chara is just short for character and calling it the true name could just be a joke.

Asriel says Chara “wasn’t the best person”. Chara has some anger issues towards the humans in their village, hence why they wanted to kill them. Asriel is also comparing Chara to the person who just helped free the Underground without hurting anyone.

Asgore would technically be considered more evil than pre-genocide Chara since he successfully killed multiple humans.

[DJ]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Asgore would technically be considered more evil than pre-genocide Chara since he successfully killed multiple humans.

Is evilness based on actions or intentions though? A simple question with a complicated answer.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by DJ Spicy Deluxe:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Asgore would technically be considered more evil than pre-genocide Chara since he successfully killed multiple humans.

Is evilness based on actions or intentions though? A simple question with a complicated answer.

Both, but actions have a heavier weight.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

People also call her/him chara because Flowie tells everything about that name and sees you ad his sibling during the genocide run.

Also im pretty sure chara is indeed evil.
Asriel in the end of pacifist run says that [your name] wad not a good person and despised humanity
Flowie says their original plan was
To kill all humans but Asriel refused
and of course in the end of genocide run [you name] that got enough power to become separated from you outright demands tge world be deleted

Flowey only ever calls the first human what name you put in.

The only clue for Chara being the name is the fact that it’s the name the game defaults to if there’s a save error that removes the name you put, and that if you put it in at the start, you get the message “The true name.”

Of course, Chara is just short for character and calling it the true name could just be a joke.

Asriel says Chara “wasn’t the best person”. Chara has some anger issues towards the humans in their village, hence why they wanted to kill them. Asriel is also comparing Chara to the person who just helped free the Underground without hurting anyone.

Asgore would technically be considered more evil than pre-genocide Chara since he successfully killed multiple humans.

i suggest you rewatch the final diologue with Asriel.
when he says the fallen human "wasn't the greatest person" its pretty sharp hint that he was a bad person, and most likely evil.
he also explains that killing humanity was his plan from the start - the human soul took over Asriel's body and it was they who decided to walk out of the underground with the dead body in their hands, knowing full well the other humans will attack and thus will give him full premission to go on a murder rampage.
the only way Asriel compares Frisk to the fallen human is that they both have similar clothes.

now that i have thought about it a bit, i think the twist that the fallen human is your name is essentially a grim prophesy that you - the actual personp playing the game - is destined to kill all the game's characters simply out of boredom and fun, because for you there are no real consequences and they are not real so you can't really love them.
so you are potentially just as souless and emotionless as Flowey

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Flowey only ever calls the first human what name you put in.

The only clue for Chara being the name is the fact that it’s the name the game defaults to if there’s a save error that removes the name you put, and that if you put it in at the start, you get the message “The true name.”

Of course, Chara is just short for character and calling it the true name could just be a joke.

Asriel says Chara “wasn’t the best person”. Chara has some anger issues towards the humans in their village, hence why they wanted to kill them. Asriel is also comparing Chara to the person who just helped free the Underground without hurting anyone.

Asgore would technically be considered more evil than pre-genocide Chara since he successfully killed multiple humans.

i suggest you rewatch the final diologue with Asriel.
when he says the fallen human "wasn't the greatest person" its pretty sharp hint that he was a bad person, and most likely evil.
he also explains that killing humanity was his plan from the start - the human soul took over Asriel's body and it was they who decided to walk out of the underground with the dead body in their hands, knowing full well the other humans will attack and thus will give him full premission to go on a murder rampage.
the only way Asriel compares Frisk to the fallen human is that they both have similar clothes.

now that i have thought about it a bit, i think the twist that the fallen human is your name is essentially a grim prophesy that you - the actual personp playing the game - is destined to kill all the game's characters simply out of boredom and fun, because for you there are no real consequences and they are not real so you can't really love them.
so you are potentially just as souless and emotionless as Flowey

The game is about seeing the perspective of others, and once you understand them you can compromise in a nonviolent way. Be open to others' perspectives and discover they aren't as evil as they may seem at first. So having a character that's just meant to be blatantly evil for no reason makes no sense.

Asriel also says he didn't know why Chara ran away from home, but that it wasn't for a good reason. And there are other clues in New Home that tell us that Chara did love their monster family. So the game does give good reasons for what Chara did, they just aren't as blatantly told to the player as the bad ones.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

that's a fair point but you can't deny the fallen human's hatred for humanity and their wish to destroy it. so i don't know anymore. i wish the Tobe would come down one day and expalin instead of making so much stuff vague

[DJ]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

i wish the Tobe would come down one day and expalin instead of making so much stuff vague

That would ruin the point

[Everlee]

what has this post turned into.